Spindle help to EDING CNC

[D-man]

Hi again, just me. this time im in need of help controlling the spindle from my board. However ive never seen this VFD and the spindle looks like the 2.2kw but on steroids with a ER25 collet.

Can some good fellows help me control the spindle on/off via the board please?

VFD is https://halk.ru/forum/resources/8/download?version=8

and the model number is E380-4T0055G/0075P

Board im using is the EDING CPU5A4E

[D-man]

Hi again, just me. this time im in need of help controlling the spindle from my board. However ive never seen this VFD and the spindle looks like the 2.2kw but on steroids with a ER25 collet.

Can some good fellows help me control the spindle on/off via the board please?

VFD is https://halk.ru/forum/resources/8/download?version=8

and the model number is E380-4T0055G/0075P

Board im using is the EDING CPU5A4E

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[m_c]

The black wire appears to be linking the CM and FWD terminals, as well as providing a common feed (probably to provide the common for switching the inputs).

You'll have to go through the settings menu (F3.0 - Pg32 in the manual) to see what X1, 2, & 3 have been configured to do.
The TA/TC is an output, again you'd have to check the settings to see what it's set to (F3.8 - Pg 32 again).

I'm not sure what Eding outputs, but you may want to reconfigure the drive so it uses an analogue 0-10V input to set the speed.

[JAZZCNC]

Spindle is 3Kw.

[D-man]

I will report back with these settings tomorrow.


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[D-man]

Spindle is 3Kw.

Im sure it had 4.5 written on it. I may be wrong. But managed to get it all up and running now it's just the spindle I need sorting [emoji6] happy Sunday

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[D-man]

The black wire appears to be linking the CM and FWD terminals, as well as providing a common feed (probably to provide the common for switching the inputs).

You'll have to go through the settings menu (F3.0 - Pg32 in the manual) to see what X1, 2, & 3 have been configured to do.
The TA/TC is an output, again you'd have to check the settings to see what it's set to (F3.8 - Pg 32 again).

I'm not sure what Eding outputs, but you may want to reconfigure the drive so it uses an analogue 0-10V input to set the speed.

OK Before i report with the Parameter settings i do know (thanks to google translate on the phone, AWESOME!), that the following wires were plugged into the old board for:

RED: spindle Low
GREEN: Spindle in
YELLOW: Spindle High
BLACK: was into 5v

[D-man]

OK Guys, everything is as per the manufacturers settings (in parameters pages) APART FROM the following:

AUXILIARY RUNNING PARAMETER UNIT
F4.8 - 0.50

MULTI SPEED FREQUENCY
F5.1 - 100
F5.3 - 200
F5.4 - 250
F5.5 - 300
F5.6 - 350
F5.7 - 400

[D-man]

First one that gets her fired up, will get a drink :)

could really do with her up and running for tomorrow, so any help will be much appreciated, even if i can get it running in manual mode i just cant figure it out

[m_c]

So it looks like it's just been wired to provide 3 different speeds, depending on what input is activated.

What kind of output does Eding provide?
For a quick get you going option, I'd think that provided you just connected one of the three speed input wires (red/green/yellow) to the common (black), then you'll get the spindle running.

[D-man]

Eding CNC provides 0-10v and a tool option.

http://www.edingcnc.com/upload/files/cpu5a_flyer_tech.pdf

screenshot of the VFD section http://prntscr.com/eltm6t

Pins screenshot http://prntscr.com/eltme8

[m_c]

I'm going to assume that where the manual says Tool Output, it means there is an output that gets switched to turn the spindle on?

If it is, then the quickest option would be to select one side of VFD speed inputs, connect it to the Tool Output, and connect the VFD CM to Eding Gnd/0V.
Probably best to power up the VFD, and test this by connecting one of the speed wires, to the CM wire, and making sure the spindle starts. The VFD will most likely need to be powered up, before you make the connection, or it won't run. (it will depend on how the VFD is configured, as to whether it will run the motor immediately on power up)

To get speed control, you'd need to wire the FWD terminal to the Tool Output, VC2 to the 0-10V output, and then join CM to GND/0V.
I'm not sure if you'll have to change any settings in the VFD to get that working, but try it and see. If it doesn't work, make sure you are getting 0-10V at the terminals, and the Tool Output is switching. If you put a multimeter set to volts over the FWD/CM terminals, it should show a voltage with the spindle turned off (I'd guess it should be around 12V, but may vary depending on the VFD. It should certainly be higher than a couple volts), then when you switch the spindle on, it should drop to near zero volts.

[D-man]

Cheers i will give that a pop and let you know

[D-man]

Ok so when I put, X2 onto CM the VFD starts to spin up, however the spindle does not move and then I get an error code of FU.01 and it shuts down

https://youtu.be/VRlPxEhJO_E


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[m_c]

At least we're getting somewhere.

Does the spindle spin by hand?

[D-man]

Better than just listening to the fan [emoji23] spindle spins by hand yeah, but no life in her when touching her terminals [emoji6]


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[JAZZCNC]

Why use the Stepped speeds at all if have speed control.?

To me it should simply be case of using an output to either switch FWD to CM or control relay whose contacts switch FWD to CM.

Then put +10v from eding to VC2 and 0v to Gnd.
Next set parameter f0.1 =5 and f0.4=1

To me that should get you going.?

[D-man]

What would be the best way to wire that up then, you saying I need a relay?


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[D-man]

should i turn the speeds off and just use FWD?

[D-man]

Is this what you mean mate?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170319/f6773babfbe4bbfe9d613b77af52c421.jpg


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[m_c]

Is this what you mean mate?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170319/f6773babfbe4bbfe9d613b77af52c421.jpg


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Use the CM terminal, not the -

However that wouldn't explain why the spindle isn't spinning.
What's the acceleration value set to? F0.10

[D-man]

Use the CM terminal, not the -

However that wouldn't explain why the spindle isn't spinning.
What's the acceleration value set to? F0.10

My Bad, i will go to CM.

F0.10 - 0.8
F0.11 - 0.9

next to these it says that the parameter is related to the inverter model

[JAZZCNC]

What would be the best way to wire that up then, you saying I need a relay?


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Depends on Eding outputs and I've never used it so can't tell you. However using relay removes any posibilty of damage and is simple.

quick look at manual shows it's possible to use method I suggested see sec 9.2 it shows simple wiring setup.

If not got relay then for test just setup the 0-10V side and simply short wire between FWD and CM to see if spindle comes to life at the speed set in eding.

[D-man]

Its also worth mentioning that if i unlink CM & FWD the VFD shuts down (Fan goes off etc)

[m_c]

Its also worth mentioning that if i unlink CM & FWD the VFD shuts down (Fan goes off etc)

Does the display stay on?

[D-man]

Here is a video of what happens

https://youtu.be/yVzY6sCKhOw


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[m_c]

Here is a video of what happens

https://youtu.be/yVzY6sCKhOw


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That's normal.

[JAZZCNC]

what is set in accel setting param f0.10 set it to high number to test try 20

[D-man]

That's normal.

Oh really? So when spindle fires up the fan etc will pop on?


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[D-man]

what is set in accel setting param f0.10 set it to high number to test try 20

So wire up as per picture and change parameters you mentioned and also accel ?


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[JAZZCNC]

Look slike you have no speed set so it's running but at Zero speed.

[D-man]

Look slike you have no speed set so it's running but at Zero speed.

Ok gimme a min to wire up as per pic


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[JAZZCNC]

So wire up as per picture and change parameters you mentioned and also accel ?


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Yes if it starts then try lowering the Accel until it doesn't. Usually around 4-6 will work ok but depends on spindle.

[D-man]

Ok it's doing something. It's controlling via the software but not firing up

https://youtu.be/98LXdpYtOTw


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[JAZZCNC]

Ok it's doing something. It's controlling via the software but not firing up

https://youtu.be/98LXdpYtOTw


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have you typed speed in try using MDI and type M3 s12000

[D-man]

have you typed speed in try using MDI and type M3 s12000

Yeah, just turns the VFD fan on but no spindle etc


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[D-man]

Should I turn the other wires off in the VFD, maybe it's looking for those?(Green/red/yellow )


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[JAZZCNC]

if this doesn't work then you probably not got voltage coming out of the eding so test voltage. @ s12000 you should have around 5v

[JAZZCNC]

ring me if still got number

[D-man]

Ok Guys had a bit time to revisit this. Your help would be very much appreciated.

The above options don’t work, however after a bit of fiddling, UV managed to get the spindle to switch on and off with the software.

My question is, what will control the speed? I’ve got 0-10v coming from the PWM and increases when spindle speed on the pendant wheel.
I’ve tried connecting to AC1&2 and also VC1&2 with no luck. I’m guessing it’s a setting in the VFD but I can’t see it.

It’s also worth mentioning that if I put PWM to X1-2-3 or 4 I get a separate set speed on each.

Please help guys, half way there! [emoji16]

https://youtu.be/b2cbv0fuKj4



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