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bigdazza18
04-03-2012, 10:34 AM
Was looking on ebay for the other day for cnc machines and came across this http://www.q-gee-graphics.co.uk/MDF_cnc_machine_PCB_engraving/p290870_5867758.aspx

Has anyone got any experience of this company and what are your thoughts on its capability as a small hobby machine for just using at home?

Thanks, Aaron

tumutbound
05-03-2012, 02:04 PM
There are a couple of threads over on cnczone.com (http://www.cnczone.com/forums/want_buy_need_help/133392-any_horror_stories_about_store.html) about q-gee graphics that you might want to read. A couple of unhappy buyers.

WollyUK
05-03-2012, 02:53 PM
We have just bought the same machine.

How did you connect the motors to the plastic frame. I mean mounting wise? We didnt buy the mounts due to having a budget.

Check out our thread if you have time, we're after all the help we can get :tup:


Rgds.
Adam, Alan, Josh, Steve, Mike.

bigdazza18
05-03-2012, 04:05 PM
We have just bought the same machine.

How did you connect the motors to the plastic frame. I mean mounting wise? We didnt buy the mounts due to having a budget.

Check out our thread if you have time, we're after all the help we can get :tup:




Rgds.
Adam, Alan, Josh, Steve, Mike.

I havnt purchased one yet because I wanted peoples views on it before I possibly wasted my money. With regards to mounts for the motors I couldn't see any pre drilled holes in the frame so I assumed I would have to find my own way of mounting them? Perhaps threaded rod and some bolts??

Jonathan
05-03-2012, 04:43 PM
I havnt purchased one yet because I wanted peoples views on it before I possibly wasted my money.

Definitely wasted your money, not possibly. I've mentioned it many times before on this forum, so I wont repeat myself but any machine made with MDF or unsupported rails, let alone both, will be exceptionally weak. Probably fine if you just want to cut PCBs but that's about it. Search on this forum for explanations...

What do you want to make with the machine?

WollyUK
05-03-2012, 05:39 PM
I havnt purchased one yet because I wanted peoples views on it before I possibly wasted my money. With regards to mounts for the motors I couldn't see any pre drilled holes in the frame so I assumed I would have to find my own way of mounting them? Perhaps threaded rod and some bolts??

Right o.k. Yes there are pre-tapped holes there. I think i know what you mean with thr threaded bar. Maybe an m5x70mm allen bolt and use a bit of pvc pipe for structure strength.

We'll figure it out, i'm sure. Probably post a few pictures if anyone was interested.

bigdazza18
05-03-2012, 05:51 PM
We'll figure it out, i'm sure. Probably post a few pictures if anyone was interested.

I would be interested to know how you get on as I like the price of this machine but not the various opinions I have been hearing. Here is a pic of a mounted motor that I saw. Please bear in mind I know nothing about CNC machines and there construction, its only something ive seen.


5428

Out of interest what will you be making with it?

i2i
05-03-2012, 05:56 PM
I tried to go up and have a look at their premises which just looks like a house, but i was advised that they were just moving and it would not be possible. I wonder if they've finished their move and it's possible to view something. I'll chase that one up, as i live about 20 miles from them.

i2i
05-03-2012, 05:57 PM
I would be interested to know how you get on as I like the price of this machine but not the various opinions I have been hearing. Here is a pic of a mounted motor that I saw. Please bear in mind I know nothing about CNC machines and there construction, its only something ive seen.


5428

Out of interest what will you be making with it?Tube pillars would be better than just threaded rod.

WollyUK
05-03-2012, 05:58 PM
Hmmm... I'm not too convinced. I see your point with un-supported rails etc.

But (and this is where we're going to get a bit geeky with our engineering here lol) the rails are 350mm long and 16.0005mm diameter, we're guessing their toughened steel. Meaning the Transverse loading weight (which would actually have to be made by the machine it's self, unless you are putting something heavy on the machine) would have to be 96kilo's per 100mm to get a flex of <1mm. devided by the 350mm rail length would mean an actuall transverse loading of 27 kilo's from the part that moves back and forth (Y axis?) and even more on the side to side axis as it is only 300mm (32kg-<1mm)

We couldnt find any stats on the density of the HDPE frame it's self that we have.
But the way the machine is setup, from what we can see all the "shear" strength is taken by the rails.

Given that the distance between the rails on the weakest part of the machine, the side to side (it's the weakest as the most energy is being put there when in motion and cutting) is 80mm, and the risen height from the bed (the place where the force is generated) is 100mm, theres a good ratio for ultimate strength.

It hasn't been used yet, but a simple (by pushing it with an arm) the uniaxial compression from the top right of the machine on a 45 degree angle is pretty solid with no flex up until about 15 kilos.
If i could remember the formular to workout what kind of force in kg that would be at the cutting edge then i would let you know.

We only have to PCB engrave with it ayway, so by rights a machine made from cardboard would probably be strong enough lol.

WollyUK
05-03-2012, 06:10 PM
That's what we had in mind. But if we put a bit of pvc pipe inbetween the motor and the frame we can just use bolts from the motor into the tapped holes in the frame, which will give it a better structual strength too. Aswel as keeping the motor paralelle with the frame. Which i'm guessing is important to match the shaft from the NEMA to the leadscrews.

And we have to just be able to use this machine in Uni so maybe some PCB engraving or something that is easy to setup with the software.

Once that's done we will probably do a destruction test to see what it can ACTUALLY put up with because we're not aloud to sell it as we had the money for it on a grant :(. could have been beer money!! lol

WollyUK
05-03-2012, 06:12 PM
Definitely wasted your money, not possibly. I've mentioned it many times before on this forum, so I wont repeat myself but any machine made with MDF or unsupported rails, let alone both, will be exceptionally weak. Probably fine if you just want to cut PCBs but that's about it. Search on this forum for explanations...

What do you want to make with the machine?

Hmmm... I'm not too convinced. I see your point with un-supported rails etc.

But (and this is where we're going to get a bit geeky with our engineering here lol) the rails are 350mm long and 16.0005mm diameter, we're guessing their toughened steel. Meaning the Transverse loading weight (which would actually have to be made by the machine it's self, unless you are putting something heavy on the machine) would have to be 96kilo's per 100mm to get a flex of <1mm. devided by the 350mm rail length would mean an actuall transverse loading of 27 kilo's from the part that moves back and forth (Y axis?) and even more on the side to side axis as it is only 300mm (32kg-<1mm)

We couldnt find any stats on the density of the HDPE frame it's self that we have.
But the way the machine is setup, from what we can see all the "shear" strength is taken by the rails.

Given that the distance between the rails on the weakest part of the machine, the side to side (it's the weakest as the most energy is being put there when in motion and cutting) is 80mm, and the risen height from the bed (the place where the force is generated) is 100mm, theres a good ratio for ultimate strength.

It hasn't been used yet, but a simple (by pushing it with an arm) the uniaxial compression from the top right of the machine on a 45 degree angle is pretty solid with no flex up until about 15 kilos.
If i could remember the formular to workout what kind of force in kg that would be at the cutting edge then i would let you know.

We only have to PCB engrave with it ayway, so by rights a machine made from cardboard would probably be strong enough lol.

luke11cnc
05-03-2012, 07:24 PM
what about the affect of the cutter on the rails have you taken this into your equation ??
plus the stop and start force of the x & Y axis.You have by the looks of it already made your mind up about this machine.

but like Jonathan has already said you have wasted your money.

James

JAZZCNC
05-03-2012, 09:53 PM
Definitely wasted your money, not possibly. I've mentioned it many times before on this forum, so I wont repeat myself but any machine made with MDF or unsupported rails, let alone both, will be exceptionally weak. Probably fine if you just want to cut PCBs but that's about it. Search on this forum for explanations...

What do you want to make with the machine?

Listen to him because he's absolutly correct. . . . . All you have there is poor fired wood and cheap metal to poke the fire with.!!