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craigrobbo
28-06-2012, 05:10 PM
guys so i asked about this a while back but it really baffled my head as i havn't done this before.

The CNC is due in the next week and i got a letter, i owe them 597 they estimated total was around 620 with the VAT/duties included.!!!

It was for:



Admin fee
transportation
corgo fee
CAF x2
Terminal hadling charge



Clearance
Dti epu
Trucking
Use of deferment 2 pct outlay min




And a bunch of other things too

They told me that i can use other forwarders to maybe bring the cost down, Does anyone know how this works or any forwarders that could help me, currently mannsons are dealing with this.

Craig

Gary
28-06-2012, 07:26 PM
The main costs will be the Duty and VAT based on the value of the invoices issued to the forwarder.
The likelihood is that who every you change to will not be able to save you anymore money.
At the end of the day Duty and Vat needs to be paid, and the only reduction would be the forwarders fees, that are not a lot.

JAZZCNC
28-06-2012, 10:50 PM
they,ve got a nerve slagging them somalis off!:pirate:

Some bodys got to pay for Queeny's party.!!. . . . and keeping the PM's Banker mates in a Job and out of Jail.!!

craigrobbo
28-06-2012, 10:57 PM
Thank you, its not just duties, but handeling fees admin fees cargo movement fees courier fees an a list of little things.

The important thing is how would i go about getting an alternative export company to get it from the port, do the paper work and bring it to me?

Thanks

Craig

John S
28-06-2012, 11:00 PM
They will all be tarred with the same brush and all that will happen is it will get tied up in bond and you have to pay storage charges on top of what you have already been hit with.
Just bend down and grip your ankles.

craigrobbo
28-06-2012, 11:02 PM
The issue is the orginal company now will not deal with this shipment because of some certin logistics but thats sort of bi the bi, I need to find another company that can deal with this now :(

Please help im pulling my hair out.

HankMcSpank
28-06-2012, 11:16 PM
Was this an air or sea shipment?

Has it arrived & in port or ina UK warehouse somewhere?

Where are the main costs...some are fixed & you can't dodge them VAT & Import...which are a % of the declared value...everything revolves around the declared value on the shipping bill (even the courier/shippiung agent handling fees)...therewfore it'#s a very key document to get right....before you buy anything.

Top tip for anyone bringing something into the country ....only buy from someone who's prepared to go the extra mile to get the sale and send erhm creative shipping documentation with the shipment!

JAZZCNC
28-06-2012, 11:35 PM
Top tip for anyone bringing something into the country ....only buy from someone who's prepared to go the extra mile to get the sale and send erhm creative shipping documentation with the shipment!

While I know what you refering too Hank this actually doesn't matter because in the eyes of the law the buyer is ultimately responsable for the paper work being correct and liable if not.!! . . . . So be carefull because if too creative HMRC will still bite your Arse.!!

craigrobbo
28-06-2012, 11:39 PM
It was a Sea shipment that is due in on the 9 July 2012.

Craig

JAZZCNC
28-06-2012, 11:51 PM
It was a Sea shipment that is due in on the 9 July 2012.

Craig

Looking at your updated first post I think your pain may well get worse because to me it reads that the 620 covers the handling fee's and the VAT/DUTY will come on top calculated from the machines value.?? . . . . .Hope I'm wrong but thats howit reads to me.!!

craigrobbo
28-06-2012, 11:53 PM
Sorry your right i made an error I'll fix it now.

HankMcSpank
29-06-2012, 12:31 AM
It was a Sea shipment that is due in on the 9 July 2012.
Craig

How much is the shipment worth in Sterling?

With sea shipments there are one helluva add-ons,here are some typical costs...

ADVANCEMENT FEE
CUSTOMS PRESENTATION FEE
IMPORT CUSTOMS CLEARANCE FEE
PORT SECURITY FEE
TERMINAL HANDLING FEE
DOCUMENTATION FEE
DELIVERY FEE (FROM PORT TO YOUR PREMISES)

Whilst each one is small in itself, they quickly add up! Since they are all based on a percentage of the
declared value of the goods (on the associated docs) & collected by the shipping agent before you
even get your hands on the shipment. So if the shipping docs show the value on the item to be high, you're
not gonna be able to dodge this one....out of that list above, the only one you can save on is delivery
from the port to your door (by hopping in your car & collecting from your goods the actual port, but then there's
the hassle, petrol costs, time costs)

Edit: Just seen your updated 1st post, so you clearly know the high number of add on charges in play!

JAZZCNC
29-06-2012, 12:39 AM
Sorry your right i made an error I'll fix it now.

Ok then Like John S says dont fight the fight grease up well and bite down.!!:sorrow:

Gary
29-06-2012, 08:46 AM
Sorry hank, i dont agree with this.
1) if HMRC think the invoice has obviously been made to get your VAT or Duty bill down, this may cause you problems, and is infact defrauding HMRC.
2) what you should do is find out what the terms of the sale are, was it FOB, CIF or exworks?
3) importing costs money, you've got the part VAT and duty free till it enters this country, so expect to pay it, if you dont, its a bonus.
5) forwarders are in it to make money, so expect to be charged.
6) only dealing with someone who is willing to break the law, just to get a sale?

What is the value and mass of the shipment?


Top tip for anyone bringing something into the country ....only buy from someone who's prepared to go the extra mile to get the sale and send erhm creative shipping documentation with the shipment!

craigrobbo
29-06-2012, 10:13 AM
Hey guys,

I do have the issue of finding a forwarder still, the charges are some what bu the bi now - There isn't much i can do about it only a small portion of the total cost is VAT/duties.

Does anyone know how i would go about finding and dealing with this getting changed over to another forwarder?

Swarfing
29-06-2012, 11:05 AM
My suggestion would be to hire a truck with licensed lifting equipment and go get it yourself. Don't forget to book a dock side collection slot and don't be late or they will charge you storage time (this could mean 10mins only and still cost you a fortune). This would still work out cheaper than letting them arrange it. I had to do this with a car a long time ago admittedly but saved me 400 which was a huge amount of money then.

Jon S
29-06-2012, 11:26 AM
Moral of the story: always get your own shipping agent to collect goods

Changing shipping agents might be easy however you could get stung as you are 3rd party to contract, see above.

Best person to advise and investigate FOC would be a local shipping agent who will be happy to help.

Try here for a local shipping agent (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=shipping+agent+manchester)

HankMcSpank
29-06-2012, 12:37 PM
Gary, whilst everything you say is completely right ...I'm talking here of the guy in the street (not a business) who has tried to save a few bob by importing a 'one off' off his own back.

Who hasn't ever muttered the immortal words "any discount for cash?" (& the thinly veiled implication that asking carries) ....or paid a tradesman 'cash in hand'.....that's essentially in the same category. Folks will have to use their own moral barometer as to how they approach!


3) importing costs money, you've got the part VAT and duty free till it enters this country, so expect to pay it, if you dont, its a bonus.


How can it be a "bonus" ...the receipient should clearly contact the tax authorities & offer up the due money they've overlooked ;-)

craigrobbo
29-06-2012, 05:46 PM
I spoke to mannsons again, They said its possible to fill out all the forms etc myself and save some money - Does any one know how to go about such a task?

Gary
29-06-2012, 09:04 PM
I have absolutely no problem with trying to get a better deal or save some money and i can see why joe blogs on the street would do this but my point was that by insisting on getting the seller to give a lower value on the invoice can actually cause you to loose the goods to hmrc, or seriously delay the delivery.

BilboBaggins
09-02-2015, 02:12 PM
I spoke to mannsons again, They said its possible to fill out all the forms etc myself and save some money - Does any one know how to go about such a task?

Did you get sorted in the end ?