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D-man
13-07-2012, 12:06 PM
Hey guys, can anyone give me a step by step or some information on controlling my spindle from the uniport v2?

I'm looking at having mach3 switch the spindle on when I press start.

Any info will be greatly appreciated

D-man
24-07-2012, 12:29 PM
Bump

Anyone?

JAZZCNC
24-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Bump

Anyone?

What spindle is it.?

The uniport can only turn the spindle power on/off by using the on board relay it can't control the speed. You need a spindle speed board to do this and even then it can only be used if the spindle has variable speed controller that can accept analog 0-10V to control speed. Vfd's have this option thats why I asked what spindle.

D-man
24-07-2012, 10:06 PM
Thanks for the reply Jazz. It's the chinese spindle with the VFD, sorry I can't remember the brand but begins with an H lol (truth is I dunno how to spell it haha)

D-man
24-07-2012, 10:08 PM
Sorry forgot to mention I'm not fussed about the speed control through Mach 3 just yet.
All I want is for the spindle to switch on when I press "start"

JAZZCNC
24-07-2012, 10:11 PM
Thanks for the reply Jazz. It's the chinese spindle with the VFD, sorry I can't remember the brand but begins with an H lol (truth is I dunno how to spell it haha)

Ok I know the one. Lol . . . In this case then you'll need the spindle V4 board or something similiar that outputs 0-10V signal that the VFD can read. Get the board then come back and we'll see about getting it setup for you.

JAZZCNC
24-07-2012, 10:16 PM
Sorry forgot to mention I'm not fussed about the speed control through Mach 3 just yet.
All I want is for the spindle to switch on when I press "start"

Ok let me give me a bit of time to look at the VFD inputs and I'll see what can be done.? It may not be tonight thou.!

Jonathan may know he's got one of these VFD's Huanyangsangyungtwang things so with a bit of luck he'll show up.?

D-man
24-07-2012, 10:27 PM
Haha yeah that's the one ;-) so I defiantly need a spindle board? I thought I may of been able to switch on via the uni as the instructions on the manual of the uniport don't mention the spindle board just the pic 6408

irving2008
24-07-2012, 10:47 PM
Might work... but the inrush current of the VFD might be too much for the relay on the board... its could be marginal I reckon with a 2.2kW spindle. Also it is very bad practice to start the motor by switching on the VFD! You could probably, and more safely, use the relay to control the 'soft start' input on the VFD (might be labelled 'RUN' input). Then you will have to turn the VFD on and set the speed before pressing Start on the PC...

D-man
24-07-2012, 10:53 PM
Could you give me an idea how to do this? Is it just the case of finding the wire which enables the run command on the VFD? And wire that to the board as in the pic?

JAZZCNC
24-07-2012, 10:56 PM
Had a word with a mate and between us think we have sussed it but give me 30mins to explain or write how to do it. It's easy thou I think.? but without vfd you'll have to do the testing.!!

D-man
24-07-2012, 11:02 PM
Top guy(s) appreciate it!

D-man
24-07-2012, 11:03 PM
Please make it read like a child's book as I'm new to all the electrics malarkey haha

JAZZCNC
24-07-2012, 11:28 PM
Ok here goes.!!

Wiring first.!

Take a wire from the DCM terminal on VFD and run thru the normally open (NO) contact of relay one(No1) on uniport and return to the FOR terminal on the VFD.

VFD Setup:
Set PD01 = 1
PD02 = 0
PD44 = 01
The speed or frequency will need to be set manuely using the key pad.

Mach setup.:
Port & pins - output signals-output#1 = port 1 pin 16

Spindle setup - relay control- untick check box
Spindle setup - relay control- clockwise (M3) output# = 1
Spindle setup - relay control- CCW (M4) output# = 2 (but wont be used)

That should be it.? You may need to toggle the active high/low in output #1 if the relay turns on when it should be off.

Then when mach see's M3 in the code it will turn the relay on which in turn lets the signal from DCM thru it's contacts to the FOR input starting the VFD untill the signal drops then it will turn off.? This will be done when Mach see M5 and turns the output off which in-turn shuts the relay off and signal drops to the VFD.

Hope it works.? ( If it does then you need to thank AudioAndy not just me.!! . . . If it doesn't work then it's all Andy's fault. . Lmao)

Jonathan
24-07-2012, 11:59 PM
On holiday... hence I'm too late! Jazz has said what I would have suggested. Setting PD01 to 1 enables the external input...PD44 says which input.

John S
25-07-2012, 12:07 AM
On holiday... hence I'm too late!

Sorry didn't disturb your shagging did we ?

D-man
25-07-2012, 12:15 AM
Is tho correct I'm not sure what you mean by the normally open (NO) 6409

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 12:23 AM
Is tho correct I'm not sure what you mean by the normally open (NO) 6409

Ok looks like the Uniport only has NO contacts so yes thats correct.

D-man
25-07-2012, 12:26 AM
ok Jazz i will try that tomorrow afternoon when i get back from Scotland and let you know how much smoke my VFD makes :p

Thanks a lot guys!!

D-man
25-07-2012, 06:21 PM
Hey Jazz, your "tutorial" worked perfectly!! Thanks a lot!!

However I have a couple questions.

The spindle is in the bed before it starts to spin. In other words it's the machine is doing the cycle and then the spindle comes to life - is the some sort of delay I could toggle with?

Emergency stop - when I hit the E/Stop the machine stops and there is also a delay on the spindle shutting Down, but perfect when I hit stop in Mach3. Any ideas?

irving2008
25-07-2012, 06:27 PM
Sounds like there is a delay in the VFD between receiving the start command and spinning up the spindle.. normally with Mach you'd feed spindle speed back in from a sensor so it knows when spindle is running... I dont know if there's a delay setting in Mach that would allow the spindle time to get up to speed before starting the cut. As to the delay on stop..well its not going to stop quickly anyway (inertia + plus I guess no braking resistor) and the run/stop command to the VFD will initiate a slow ramp down. there'll be settings on the VFD as to how fast to ramp down (as well as up btw).

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 06:35 PM
Hey Jazz, your "tutorial" worked perfectly!! Thanks a lot!!

However I have a couple questions.

The spindle is in the bed before it starts to spin. In other words it's the machine is doing the cycle and then the spindle comes to life - is the some sort of delay I could toggle with?

Emergency stop - when I hit the E/Stop the machine stops and there is also a delay on the spindle shutting Down, but perfect when I hit stop in Mach3. Any ideas?

Sounds like It will be the relay delay spinup/down settings inside Mach. Go to Ports & pins spindle setup and under the general parameters set the CW delay spinup = 0 or a low number like 1 same for CW spin down.

If that doesn't work then it's in the VFD settings but I'd ahve to go have a look at the manuel to find it.

D-man
25-07-2012, 06:44 PM
Awesome guys thanks!

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 06:49 PM
Emergency stop - when I hit the E/Stop the machine stops and there is also a delay on the spindle shutting Down, but perfect when I hit stop in Mach3. Any ideas?

This could be that you haven't got the charge pump setup on BOB or should say override, so when Mach E-stops and drops the charge pump signal it doesn't see it and keeps going for a while.? . . . Not sure on this thou.!!

Edit: On reflection scrap that idea it wouldn't do that.!!

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 06:50 PM
Awesome guys thanks!

Was it the CW delay.?

D-man
25-07-2012, 07:10 PM
I ain't tried it yet just saying thanks in advance...... But now you got me thinking of it I need to go down and try it but wife ain't gona be happy #singleman = more money to spend on machine! haha

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 07:15 PM
wife ain't gona be happy #singleman = more money to spend on machine! haha

It's no co-incedence I have an EX wife and girl friend who DOESN'T live with me. .:cheerful:


Let us know if it works.?

D-man
25-07-2012, 07:28 PM
Lol. Nah that CW spin up did big do te trick. Just looking in the VFD now.....

D-man
25-07-2012, 07:33 PM
Can't seem to find it in the manual either

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 07:45 PM
Ok brain fart.!! . . just realised you actually do want a delay in the General parameters.? What it does is delay the movement commands giving the spindle time to spin up.!

So set it to 4 or 5 seconds and it should do the trick.?


Edit: Also are you sure the codes OK.? if there's Z movement commands before M3 then it won't start until Z command finish's so it will be hitting work.?

D-man
25-07-2012, 08:10 PM
Yeah the z moves befor the spindle which I correct, but by the time it's got to its location the z is down and still has not spun up yet maybe half a second off...

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 08:14 PM
Post the code or email and I'll take a look. Think you have my email if not then say and I'll PM.

D-man
25-07-2012, 08:25 PM
It's not on a network that computer would a picture do?

D-man
25-07-2012, 08:33 PM
Nevermind here it is ....


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JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 08:50 PM
It does have z 3.0 move before M3 but that shouldn't cause a problem. I can't see any M5 any were to stop spindle.? but that still wouldn't cause the start up delay.

Did you try setting the delays higher.?

D-man
25-07-2012, 09:06 PM
yeah and still nothing.

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 09:31 PM
yeah and still nothing.

Erm strange.? . . . Do the higher delays make any difference.? You should see a "Dwell" light flashing in Mach and the code pause when it gets to S1200 M3 command in code.

Are you clicking "Apply" when you make the changes in Spindle general parameters.?

D-man
25-07-2012, 09:44 PM
i cant say i saw dwell flashing i will report that one in the morning.

yeah i clicked apply, and no nothing changed what so ever.

i will go over it all again tomorrow :)

JAZZCNC
25-07-2012, 10:02 PM
i cant say i saw dwell flashing i will report that one in the morning.

If your using the standard 1024 screen set then it's next to the "Run from here"

m_c
25-07-2012, 11:00 PM
What happens when you manually click the spindle button?
Does the spindle start instantly, or is there still a delay?

D-man
25-07-2012, 11:17 PM
What happens when you manually click the spindle button?
Does the spindle start instantly, or is there still a delay?

It starts straight away

JAZZCNC
26-07-2012, 12:31 AM
It starts straight away

This is strange.? The spindle button is exactly the same has M3 in the code which basicly just turns output #2 on, M5 turns it OFF.
The Spindle General parameter for setting delay just creates a delay after the M3 command is processed before processing the next command.

In the MDI type S6000 M3 and see if it starts instantly.? . . . then M5 to stop it.
Then make sure the machine is safe to move 100mm in X direction and type. S6000 M3 G0 x100.
Depending on the delay setting you should see the spindle start and a pause with Dwell LED flashing on screen with length = to the delay setting before the X axis moves.

AdCNC
26-07-2012, 12:41 AM
Just for test sake could you not just slap a G04 P1000 on the N160 line after the M3 command.. or am i missing the point on this one!! :-S

JAZZCNC
26-07-2012, 01:01 AM
Just for test sake could you not just slap a G04 P1000 on the N160 line after the M3 command.. or am i missing the point on this one!! :-S


Yep could do that but the built in delay function should work that way and can't understand why it's not happening.?

Just trying to determine if it's happening or not, the G04 P should work but that doesn't help if Mach's playing up.!!

D-man
26-07-2012, 08:31 AM
Ok complete brain fart (and a follow through!!) I set the settings to 15. Now what I have done wrong was I was looking for the delay from the moment I pressed start. I'm a tool I know!

So jazz, what happens now is.....

Press start - Z moves up. Once it reaches safe Z the spindle kicks in, and holds its position for 15 seconds (lol I will change that) after the delay it then proceeds to do its job. All I need to do it edit that delay and were good.

Now.... How did you say I go about getting the spindle to shut off after job as you said you could not see the command.

D-man
26-07-2012, 08:41 AM
Ok guys the spindle now stops. I created a new tool path and it starts and stops just like it should. Reason that it was not in that code is because it was old code pulled from the computer before we set this up! (told you a brain fart lol)

JAZZCNC
26-07-2012, 06:34 PM
Ok guys the spindle now stops. I created a new tool path and it starts and stops just like it should. Reason that it was not in that code is because it was old code pulled from the computer before we set this up! (told you a brain fart lol)

Great pleased your working.!! . . (Just make the cheque out to Andy & Dean CNC enterprises. . :joker:)

The command was M5 but sure you've figured that already.!

D-man
26-07-2012, 09:46 PM
lol Thanks buddy, i will get you a pint if i see you lol i will get you two when it comes to wireing my spindle board up haha

audioandy
02-08-2012, 12:15 AM
Sometimes we are good then other times just brilliant!