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John S
09-03-2013, 05:19 PM
Now got a load of bumph all down the right hand side of the window restricting the messages.

Worked OK before, why change ?

If it's you Lee stop pissing about changing something not broke. If you need something to do go it the workshop and BUILD something

cropwell
09-03-2013, 06:04 PM
I've only just started to find my way round the forum, and now it is changed.:crushed:

D.C.
09-03-2013, 06:49 PM
If it's you Lee stop pissing about changing something not broke. If you need something to do go it the workshop and BUILD something

LOL. (Not ten characters)
ROFL (Not ten characters)
ROFLMAO (Not ten characters)
Ok
Not Laughing Anymore Just Annoyed With Forum Software. (John's comment was funny though)

Web Goblin
09-03-2013, 07:01 PM
Are we following cnczone? Must admit I'm not liking this either.

WandrinAndy
09-03-2013, 07:21 PM
If it's you Lee stop pissing about changing something not broke. If you need something to do go it the workshop and BUILD something

My forum front-page looks terrible..... Amongst other confusing changes, my Count-of-views and Count-of posts and Jump-to-Last-Post have all gone..... Woe is Me!!!!!!

Reckon Lee is probably relaxing under the sun in the Seychelles...... Playing on his I-Thingy........ And laughing at us poor sods struggling with the forum!:joker:

Ricardoco
09-03-2013, 07:24 PM
Are we following cnczone? Must admit I'm not liking this either.I think not, the Zone main page looks unfinished and less profesional than it used to, Its lost its fluidity. I think its time this site had a spruce up, and yes i will have to find stuff again but thats the price of keeping with the times. The same happened to me when they went from type writers to word processors and then to computers. And dont forget he is doing this in real time while the site is live so we dont know where it will end up, you may even like it...

Rick

John S
09-03-2013, 07:56 PM
Why has it got to have spruce up ?
Totally getting pissed off with programmers changing things for changing sake.
Anyone seen the new Alibre and Solid edge menus ?
Old menu bar has gone, now got cave man paintings depicting whatever. Spent 20 minutes trying to work out what the pictogram of a guy shìtting down a mine shaft only to find it was the icon for vertical dimensions.

Ricardoco
09-03-2013, 08:18 PM
Why has it got to have spruce up ?.Why not?, if the site wants to remain fresh and appealing, to new members it must change like all things, I do however see why there may be some resistance to change (old dogs, new tricks, an all that LOL) but i would like to see this forum evolve into something better for both its old members and its new ones. at least its changing gradually in real time so we can see the changes as they happen and point out things we think dont work. IMHO that is

Totally getting pissed off with programmers changing things for changing sake.
Anyone seen the new Alibre and Solid edge menus ?
Old menu bar has gone, now got cave man paintings depicting whatever. Spent 20 minutes trying to work out what the pictogram of a guy shìtting down a mine shaft only to find it was the icon for vertical dimensions. I get your point totally here. but it would be nice to think they added a few extra nice/usefull features as well. I dont use the software you refered to so could really comment either way but here is hoping.

Rick

Chas
09-03-2013, 08:30 PM
It's the beginning of the end John. This forum as we know it will soon die & be replaced by a forum populated mostly with nothing.

I've seen it before on many sites over the years. The forum owner discovers they can make £money from the people that populate the forum & soon become focused on nothing more than making £money.

After pocketing a few £100's they wonder why all the people have disappeared.

I truly believe this forum owes its very existence to CNCZone, it is a poor imitation of it & its modest success is based upon it being UK focused.

Maybe the forum was created purely to build a user base that can then be exploited? I don't know.

But I do know that I've been here & done this before, learn't my lesson & formed the conclusion that once it becomes all about £money, then it's time for me to say goodbye.

Goodbye.

& a BIG thankyou to the folks who've shared their knowledge & not only educated but also entertained me without one eye on earning a quick £quid so far. See you all on the next forum to come along.

jcb121
09-03-2013, 08:40 PM
I quite like it to be honest.

Lee Roberts
09-03-2013, 08:50 PM
Now got a load of bumph all down the right hand side of the window restricting the messages.

Worked OK before, why change ?

If it's you Lee stop pissing about changing something not broke. If you need something to do go it the workshop and BUILD something

If you bothered to read what was in the sidebar you would have seen its a duplication of what is in the "TOPSTATS" section at the top of the forum home, this was done with YOU in mind John.

The change is a rollup to what will come for the final design/layout, i call it "easing in". Why would'nt i improve and develop some thing that is so successful.

I am in my workshop and building things :), i've looked over everything on the forum and cant see anything technical that is restricting messages, so you'll have to give me a clue if its something other than your own personal taste?


I've only just started to find my way round the forum, and now it is changed.:crushed:

Other than the colour scheme nothing has changed, will address this more in my replys below.


Are we following cnczone? Must admit I'm not liking this either.

Negative they follow us :joker:.


My forum front-page looks terrible..... Amongst other confusing changes, my Count-of-views and Count-of posts and Jump-to-Last-Post have all gone..... Woe is Me!!!!!!

Reckon Lee is probably relaxing under the sun in the Seychelles...... Playing on his I-Thingy........ And laughing at us poor sods struggling with the forum!:joker:

Hi Andy, count of views and posts has now been replaced with date and time for the last post to a thread, also the jump to last post has now gone as well because now you can click the thread title and that will take you to the same location (the first unread post).

lol yea right, sunny Wigan for me, dont own any i-thingys, definitely not laughing at you (not that kind of person) if you have any other problems please feel free to shot me a PM and ill do what i can to help you.


I think not, the Zone main page looks unfinished and less profesional than it used to, Its lost its fluidity. I think its time this site had a spruce up, and yes i will have to find stuff again but thats the price of keeping with the times. The same happened to me when they went from type writers to word processors and then to computers. And dont forget he is doing this in real time while the site is live so we dont know where it will end up, you may even like it...

Rick

I agree, was watching the site as they made the changes, it now looks like they have installed a paid for theme/style or something, i've also noticed a few things i've done here they are now doing, that's nice because the zone gave me the idea for this forum and so on originally.

Fluidity is very important when it comes to web design and user experience, my plan for this forum is to remove allot of the "bumph" and noise that the forum software comes with out of the box and to stream line the direction of travel towards the content that is here and what people are looking for, what you see now is roughly what the final design looks like with just the header to the forum being reworked, there will be small changes in and around the forum but nothing major and definitely for the better.

There wont really be a need to find anything again, it should end up a lot easier to navigate the site. Some things i am going to condense down, an example of this is the toplinks at the very top most right "Welcome, Lee Roberts (http://www.mycncuk.com/forums/members/lee-roberts.html) Notifications My Profile Settings Log Out", this just dosnt need to be a line of links and so will become a drop down menu off of your User Name and with some additional cosmetic enhancements.

Yes had to do these changes in real time, no other way to do it. Hopfully the final new look will be as simple as installing my custom style into the forum style manager and everything should just work, giving us an instant change. Things sneek in though so all i can do is make sure my development forum match's this one and then go for it :).

Thanks for the feedback everyone, it always helps and is needed some times.

.Me

Ricardoco
09-03-2013, 09:03 PM
It's the beginning of the end John. This forum as we know it will soon die & be replaced by a forum populated mostly with nothing.

I've seen it before on many sites over the years. The forum owner discovers they can make £money from the people that populate the forum & soon become focused on nothing more than making £money.

After pocketing a few £100's they wonder why all the people have disappeared.

I truly believe this forum owes its very existence to CNCZone, it is a poor imitation of it & its modest success is based upon it being UK focused.

Maybe the forum was created purely to build a user base that can then be exploited? I don't know.

But I do know that I've been here & done this before, learn't my lesson & formed the conclusion that once it becomes all about £money, then it's time for me to say goodbye.

Goodbye.

& a BIG thankyou to the folks who've shared their knowledge & not only educated but also entertained me without one eye on earning a quick £quid so far. See you all on the next forum to come along.
Ive an idea? why dont you show us how to do it?? :hysterical: Oh and dont forget the hosting fees, domain registration, search engine ratings, and the list goes on and on, and guess what, its not free..

I think the site owner does a good job in keeping this site free to its members and the advertising is related to the subject matter, so not a problem in fact ive used the odd link to buy stuff in the past, I for one am thankfull its here. Ive never been asked to contribute anything, it cost me nothing, and im up for anything that keeps the site here, and the costs and the owners end, and i hope he makes loads of cash from it too.

Oh and before i forget..

8399839583988396


8397

Things move on so fast dont they, maybe not always for the better, or maybe they are...

Rick

Lee Roberts
09-03-2013, 09:09 PM
I quite like it to be honest.

Thanks ;-).


It's the beginning of the end John. This forum as we know it will soon die & be replaced by a forum populated mostly with nothing.

I've seen it before on many sites over the years. The forum owner discovers they can make £money from the people that populate the forum & soon become focused on nothing more than making £money.

After pocketing a few £100's they wonder why all the people have disappeared.

I truly believe this forum owes its very existence to CNCZone, it is a poor imitation of it & its modest success is based upon it being UK focused.

Maybe the forum was created purely to build a user base that can then be exploited? I don't know.

But I do know that I've been here & done this before, learn't my lesson & formed the conclusion that once it becomes all about £money, then it's time for me to say goodbye.

Goodbye.

& a BIG thankyou to the folks who've shared their knowledge & not only educated but also entertained me without one eye on earning a quick £quid so far. See you all on the next forum to come along.

You clearly dont know me or what im about, i suggest having a read of some of the other threads that have gone before this one, you'll read for yourself then what is to come and its not the end believe me! If it was about making money i wouldn't spend the time i do in threads like this one.

Your right i did get the idea of starting a UK focused cnc forum from the zone, its no imitation though thats for sure and i'm glad you agree its a success.

Define exploited, this forum was started as a build log more or less for my first diy cnc machine and has evolved into what it is now for and on behalf of the people that started coming to it and using it, trust me i dont need to do this kind of thing to make money!

.Me

John S
09-03-2013, 09:20 PM
If you bothered to read what was in the sidebar you would have seen its a duplication of what is in the "TOPSTATS" section at the top of the forum home, this was done with YOU in mind John.



.Me

Why duplicate anything ?

Tell me what is wrong with this on a page full of replies ?

http://www.stevenson-engineers.co.uk/files/mycnc1.jpg

Lee Roberts
09-03-2013, 10:04 PM
Why duplicate anything ?

Tell me what is wrong with this on a page full of replies ?



Because eventually the TOPSTATS on the forum home page that myself, you and a few others i know of like is going on the new design, so rather than remove it, first i have replicated what we get from it on the side bar, the idea was it would give people time to find what is in the side bar and adjust to using it.

The TOTSTATS is a 3rd party addon for vB and i dont want to support it anymore, it gives us nothing that isnt already here and the sidebar now has the same content, so its just extra queries and conflict for the new design for no reason.

Other than being a little over the 50 word optimal line length for reading print, i cant see anything wrong ?

.Me

D.C.
09-03-2013, 10:53 PM
This forum upgrade, can you hide the for sale section from the hobnob ninja yet? :joker:

Ricardoco
09-03-2013, 11:06 PM
This forum upgrade, can you hide the for sale section from the hobnob ninja yet? :joker:Rolmao :hysterical:
:hysterical:Now thats funny..

Rick

Fivetide
09-03-2013, 11:53 PM
I like it, thanks for the efforts Lee,

John S
10-03-2013, 12:22 AM
This forum upgrade, can you hide the for sale section from the hobnob ninja yet? :joker:

Safe for a bit lads.

This landed on Friday.

http://www.stevenson-engineers.co.uk/files/POS%20exit8.jpg

Ricardoco
10-03-2013, 12:29 AM
Safe for a bit lads.

This landed on Friday.

http://www.stevenson-engineers.co.uk/files/POS%20exit8.jpgNaaa you dont need that one you want the blue one. Let me take that and look after it while you wait for your replacement...:whistle:

John S
10-03-2013, 12:35 AM
Blue one comes mid April, no seriously.

Being built in China as we speak so safe for even longer...............

Ricardoco
10-03-2013, 12:42 AM
Blue one comes mid April, no seriously.

Being built in China as we speak so safe for even longer...............Ide give my back teeth to be able toplay with and know how to use one of those beauties, sadly im past it...:crushed:

John S
10-03-2013, 12:50 AM
I'd give my back teeth to be able to play with and know how to use one of those beauties,

So would I................... Be a crash course next week :beguiled:

Iwant1
10-03-2013, 12:54 AM
What a beast, it looks like everything on it moves or rotates, so the critical question is, how many axis?

Ricardoco
10-03-2013, 12:56 AM
So would I................... Be a crash course next week :beguiled: I think you will feel sick that day, I would be happy to take the course for you...

WandrinAndy
10-03-2013, 05:59 PM
Because eventually the TOPSTATS on the forum home page that myself, you and a few others i know of like is going on the new design, so rather than remove it, first i have replicated what we get from it on the side bar, the idea was it would give people time to find what is in the side bar and adjust to using it......

Afraid I haven't the foggiest what is meant by TOPSTATS and SIDEBAR, but not to worry as I will eventually fathom it out....:02.47-tranquillity:

This really is an age thing Lee.

If that HobNobs fellow is anywhere around his three-score years as I am, then he has also already turned into a grumpy old git who has great difficulty in adjusting to ANY CHANGE that is not of his own making! :tickled_pink:

But there is some breaking news that may just improve his day - IMO Tescos own brand "OATIES" taste just as good as HobNobs at about half the price!:wink:

cropwell
10-03-2013, 07:42 PM
Are those the oaties they used to use to feed the horsies ?

GEOFFREY
10-03-2013, 09:28 PM
Are those the oaties they used to use to feed the horsies ?

Yep, but you get thm back with the burgers. G.

jcb121
10-03-2013, 11:18 PM
I don't really care what the forum looks like, but I make one post and I get my inbox spammed with e-mails about every breath everyone takes on what seems like the entire planet.!

I'm not subscribed to the thread and I have disabled all the e-mail related settings on my account and yet this still happens. Grrrr!

Rogue
13-03-2013, 09:11 PM
http://www.stevenson-engineers.co.uk/files/mycnc1.jpg



...
Other than being a little over the 50 word optimal line length for reading print, i cant see anything wrong ?
...


I think the issue is the fact that all the text is squished into less than 50% of the available horizontal space.

It is horribly annoying when site designs allow that to happen but I guess we need to sit back and let all the changes roll through before we judge it. Hopefully that doesn't represent the finished state.

John S
13-03-2013, 09:31 PM
Thank fück it wasn't just my eyesight, Lee, try Specsavers.

That side bar with the duplicate threads of the one you must have read to get where you are, only runs down for 4 posts, after this you have a bloody great bad of unused space.

For someone like Lee who's obsessed with getting the most out of the least it a total waste of space :welcoming: [ Obligatory smiley to show I'm not serious about Lee ]
Also seeing as everything is now duplicated what happened to the post count.
This subject for instance, has a title and who posted last.
No who started the post and how many replies.

Why not go the whole hog and have pink text with flowers round the borders ?

Or even the same as the Italian flag, white text on a white background ?

Rogue
13-03-2013, 10:49 PM
I think there's a reason why many sites have details such as "users online" placed out of the way - it's "interesting" but of little practical use. I can see a reason for "active topics" as it's a quick and easy way to see if a new post has been made in a thread you might be following, if you were so inclined.

It will be interesting to see how it all works out but to be honest... right now the sidebar doesn't seem like such a great idea.

Rogue
13-03-2013, 10:50 PM
Or even the same as the Italian flag, white text on a white background ?

I'm fairly sure that's a French flag :wink:

Jonathan
13-03-2013, 11:11 PM
For someone like Lee who's obsessed with getting the most out of the least it a total waste of space :welcoming:

I'd rather have the extra space for forum posts than the information down the side. I now find myself stretching the page across two monitors to recover the lost territory. I don't see why showing which users are online should be given such a prominent position, let alone which staff members are online. Still it's not a big deal so I'll wait and see what's coming next.

Have you got that milling machine going yet?

John S
13-03-2013, 11:17 PM
Yup, Was running late Monday, still got bits to do, came with 2 axis readout but swapped the head to a 3 axis I had but the scale I was going to use for the knee isn't big enough, ordered a 520mm travel one today, only need 490 but that was the closest I could get, bags of room so no problems.

Still got to fit the slotting head but need the mill to open the yoke out.

Problem is that change over plus getting 3 more machines out to go on Ebay has cost me a week, now need to play catchup with customers jobs.

JAZZCNC
10-04-2013, 11:37 AM
WTF been away for few weeks and the whole place gets screwed up.!!. . . . . Hate this new layout what a F@~k-up.!! . . . . PUT IT BACK PLEASE.!

C_Bubba
10-04-2013, 02:57 PM
Yeh, I just logged in and went to hit "New Posts" as I always do and IT'S GONE:{(

Hit "Todays posts" to see a line up, but as the day wares on, I want my new posts to see what is new since my last visit!

FatFreddie
10-04-2013, 03:31 PM
Yeh, I just logged in and went to hit "New Posts" as I always do and IT'S GONE:{(

Hit "Todays posts" to see a line up, but as the day wares on, I want my new posts to see what is new since my last visit!

Yeah - what Art says - just about the only thing I use is the new posts link...

tumutbound
10-04-2013, 04:50 PM
I've no problem with change but FFS bring back New Posts

And reinstate the Mark Forum Read option ,

John S
10-04-2013, 05:32 PM
Started this 4 weeks ago and it's still fücked, nothing has been done.
Half a screen of white page, unless you read it every 1/2 day when busy the new posts scroll off the screen.
No post counter to see how many have posted.

Posts read is broken, I can look at the same post 10 times and it's still blue as if it hasn't been read.

Why do people have to piss about with web sites for pissing abouts sake ?????????????

If it's isn't broke don't piss with it.

Lee Roberts
10-04-2013, 08:03 PM
Hello,


Yeh, I just logged in and went to hit "New Posts" as I always do and IT'S GONE:{(

Hit "Todays posts" to see a line up, but as the day wares on, I want my new posts to see what is new since my last visit!


I've no problem with change but FFS bring back New Posts

And reinstate the Mark Forum Read option ,

Sorry about that its the result of a simi-responsive wireless mouse, its now been fixed and the "New Posts" link is back :). Tumutbound, i addressed the Mark Forum Read issue in this post: marking-forums-read (http://www.mycncuk.com/forums/questions-problems/5993-marking-forums-read.html#post44822)


Started this 4 weeks ago and it's still fücked, nothing has been done.

Posts read is broken, I can look at the same post 10 times and it's still blue as if it hasn't been read.

Why do people have to piss about with web sites for pissing abouts sake ?????????????

Actually John something was done very soon after your last post regarding this 4 weeks ago, your screen shot at the time was of the last post in a thread, when comparing this to what I was seeing I couldn’t see what the problem was. I then realised your screen shot was of the last post in a thread and not a post in between the first and last post of a thread, the change was to remove the Google ads from the last and first post of a thread giving the post content area an additional screen real-estate of around 350px.

Was the change that subtle that you didn’t even notice? Or is there something else you are not happy with, or is it the sidebar still being there? if it’s the later I don’t remember it being said that it was going to be removed. Give me a clue?

If you can look at the same post 10 times and the thread title remains bold, then its likely that the thread still has unread post’s in it. Clicking the “View First Unread” link at the top of a thread should fix that, once you’ve read them all of course.

So I don’t think "Posts Read" is broken, it’s as stock as it was when taken out of the box.

No idea, I’m certainly not.

m_c
10-04-2013, 08:21 PM
My current annoyances are the site defaults to activity stream unless you go direct to forum.php, and <br> tags leave no gap when viewing with IE (most likely a stylesheet issue with .p settings).

John S
10-04-2013, 08:38 PM
OK opened this subject up and it automatically went onto your post Lee as being the last unread post, then read MC post.

Went to the top clicked on last unread post and got your post again.

You have latest posts at the top right, the ones with the blue boxes - fine but then you have exactly the same posts all down the RH side but called active threads but after you have scrolled down and the 10 Active threads / latest posts have finished you are left with the Italian flag, white cross on a white background.

You are not Italian are you lee ?

Edit posted this exited the site, went to look on another site and came back here, clicked on this thread and got to read this reply.

did it again, same result but you have to go to the last post anyway but still got the blue box showing as new posts.

Tried it 7 times, still got the blue box

Another edit.

Hottest threads is broken
the thread on the SD2 driver is only two weeks old and has 38 posts - not listed, quite a few like that.

Here you are Lee, that's broke - fix it

m_c
10-04-2013, 08:47 PM
The problem will be that those post lists are cached, and only updated at whatever time setting.
If you were to leave the page for a few minutes, then hit refresh the post lists should of updated.

C_Bubba
10-04-2013, 08:48 PM
Lee,
Thank you.

Lee Roberts
11-04-2013, 12:11 AM
You have latest posts at the top right, the ones with the blue boxes - fine but then you have exactly the same posts all down the RH side but called active threads but after you have scrolled down and the 10 Active threads / latest posts have finished you are left with the Italian flag, white cross on a white background.

Sorry about that, i haven't had the time to build any custom modules for the side bar yet. Which would obviously extend the sidebar down the page more and add more feature to the overall page.


Tried it 7 times, still got the blue box

I get the same results, do you remember when i said this:


Because eventually the TOPSTATS on the forum home page that myself, you and a few others i know of like is going on the new design.

The TOTSTATS is a 3rd party addon for vB and i dont want to support it anymore, it gives us nothing that isnt already here and the sidebar now has the same content, so its just extra queries and conflict for the new design for no reason.

? Now you know one of the other reasons, there is no settings available that i can use to fix this and i have no time to try and recode or fix something that actually we dont even need because all that is needed is a small adjustment to user habit/behaviour.



Hottest threads is broken
the thread on the SD2 driver is only two weeks old and has 38 posts - not listed, quite a few like that.

Here you are Lee, that's broke - fix it

:exhausted:, :warnout:, :small grown:

No its not, that thread is 18 days old, not 14. It was posted on the 24, of the 03, yep you guessed it! in 2013, it has had 37 replies so not sure about the 38 you are seeing...

The forum is showing that thread as approximately 2 weeks old, just like it always has done. Shall i fix that instead or leave it because actually its not that critical and is endowed by its creator.

.Me < makes a sharp exit away from any internet connection.

Lee Roberts
11-04-2013, 12:12 AM
Lee,
Thank you.

No problem Art.

John S
11-04-2013, 12:26 AM
Sorry about that, i haven't had the time to build any custom modules for the side bar yet. Which would obviously extend the sidebar down the page more and add more feature to the overall page.



I get the same results, do you remember when i said this:



? Now you know one of the other reasons, there is no settings available that i can use to fix this and i have no time to try and recode or fix something that actually we dont even need because all that is needed is a small adjustment to user habit/behaviour.



:exhausted:, :warnout:, :small grown:

No its not, that thread is 18 days old, not 14. It was posted on the 24, of the 03, yep you guessed it! in 2013, it has had 37 replies so not sure about the 38 you are seeing...

The forum is showing that thread as approximately 2 weeks old, just like it always has done. Shall i fix that instead or leave it because actually its not that critical and is endowed by its creator.

.Me < makes a sharp exit away from any internet connection.

Whatever.............