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Robin Hewitt
03-04-2009, 08:55 PM
Teco 7300CV digital inverter, single phase in 3 phase out.

Circuit diagram image attached...

L1 = mains live
L3 = mains neutral

Question: Why do they use a zero volt isolator to blow the fuse when a simple push button would do?

I left it out and it seems to work okay :confused:

BillTodd
03-04-2009, 09:12 PM
Why do they use a zero volt isolator to blow the fuse when a simple push button would do?
I assume by 'Blow the fuse' you mean switch it on/off?


Zero volt switches are safer they stop machines bursting into life after a power failiure etc.

Robin Hewitt
03-04-2009, 09:17 PM
No, I mean blow the fuse, or am I misreading the circuit :confused:

BillTodd
03-04-2009, 09:30 PM
I can't see anything obvious that would blow the MCB/Fuse???

The contactor doesn't short phases. The On/Off buttons activate the contactor with coil the Aux contact (across the On switch) latching the circuit. The burst absorber will be a ~0.1uF in series with 100R.

No I don't see it :shrug:

Robin Hewitt
03-04-2009, 10:16 PM
Aha! Penny drops, so that's an aux on switch not the relay, the relay contacts are those hoop things on the inputs. Wondered why it didn't have a dashed line connecting it to the coil :D

I'm just to used to electronics rather than this industrial stuff, if I draw a box around something then everything for that component is inside the box :beer:

Robin Hewitt
03-04-2009, 10:18 PM
... and I'm seeing a box that doesn't exist.

I'll go back to bed :rolleyes:

BillTodd
03-04-2009, 11:06 PM
The drawing is a bit inconsistance the Aux switch which is just one of the four contacts on a typical contactor, is drawn as a switch contact (--o_o--), it should look like the contactor contacts (i.e. a bit like a capacitor on an electronic circuit diagram -| |- )

N.B. a normally closed contact looks like a variable cap i.e. a cap with a line drawn at an angle through it --|/|--)

Robin Hewitt
04-04-2009, 10:51 AM
Been playing with it and it seems to work fine and dandy, does everything it says on the tin even if what it says on the tin needs a bit of translation :rolleyes:

I bought the inverter and motor as a package, there is a bit of vibration if I crank it up past 90Hz but nothing to worry about, it doesn't start walking across the desk or anything like that. I'm replacing the hideously unbalanced 2hp Warco motor with a 1hp jobbie. (Even with the drive belt disconnected you can tell when Warco's motor is turned on using nothing more than the soles your feet through the concrete floor).

I wired in a 10k pot speed control and it winds up and down fine, next thing is remote buttons and then, eventually, RS232 so I can do those S & M commands.

When I asked for the RS232 protocol I got the distinct impression that I was the first. He eventually got a program from Teco which configured a motor for you, not exactly useful but I found what I needed in a help file.

The RS232 command protocol is not very well explained but luckily, right at the bottom, there is a worked example for speed control and it only took a couple of hours to work back from that and figure out what on earth they were doing, it is a bit weird.

If I'm right then the ASCII string
:0001010001FD<cr><lf>
will turn it on.

I'll let you know :rolleyes:

BillTodd
04-04-2009, 07:19 PM
There is a standard vfd protocol apparently (for rs485 at least).

Robin Hewitt
04-04-2009, 09:12 PM
Stopped playing with it, bolted it to the mill and it has a problem, I'll probably have to give the man a ring on Monday unless someone knows...

Autotune gives me "ATER Autotune error"

The manual says (sic)...

Auto-tuning faults
1. Motor data error resulting in for auto-tuning failure
2. Stop the inverter emergently during Auto-tuning

I checked the motor settings, and here's the question...

The motor is 3 phase, dual voltage, has both 240 and 400VAC on the plate.

I'm running the inverter off single phase so I set it 240VAC, 3.4A, 0.8kW, 1380rpm

Should I change that to 400VAC, 1.7A?

The manual assumes I know because it's obvious :rolleyes: