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totally useless
15-02-2015, 09:52 AM
looking at this spindle on ebay, any thoughts on suitability for wood V carving engraving
appologies if this is obvious

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kress-240v-1050-FME-Milling-Spindle-CNC-Router-x3-Collets-5-16-1-4-1-8-Brushes-/221575608804?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3396ef79e4

cheers

Clive S
15-02-2015, 09:58 AM
looking at this spindle on ebay, any thoughts on suitability for wood V carving engraving
appologies if this is obvious

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kress-240v-1050-FME-Milling-Spindle-CNC-Router-x3-Collets-5-16-1-4-1-8-Brushes-/221575608804?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3396ef79e4

cheersWhat kind of machine are you going to put it on? The Chinese 2.2Kw with vfd are the favoured ones to get like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/200995278383?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0 they are all over ebay. ..Clive

Lee Roberts
15-02-2015, 10:08 AM
Hiya,

A Kress unit is what allot of people start off with, it will do what you want BUT a water cooled spindle can be got for around the same money and would be a better choice imo, the kress units are pretty much in line with a standard router unit, obviously more like a trimmer in looks and shape they also share the same noisiness as a router or trimmer.

The difference in the two is the kress has been designed more specifically, so dose have a better run out and things like that, but again any of the water cooled spindles would be so much better all round, there is also the same type of spindle but in an air cooled version, this dose have a cooling fan at the top so again can be considered noisy in comparison but again I think this would be a better choice over a router/trimmer/kress.

You will also find good local support for the 2.2kw units, we have a thread dedicated to them specifically: http://www.mycncuk.com/showthread.php?t=5814

.Me

Neale
15-02-2015, 10:12 AM
I would go Chinese spindle over Kress - the spindle takes standard ER20 collets which give continuous coverage of all shank sizes from 1mm to 13mm which is useful with the range of metric shank cutters around, where the Kress needs the specific collet for each size; they run for hours on end with no problem at all; and they are much quieter. My cheap wet-and-dry vacuum I use for dust collection is much noisier than the spindle itself.

totally useless
15-02-2015, 10:13 AM
Hi clive
Not yet got my cnc , but when i get to build it , i was hoping that i could incorporate a low noise spindle/router {neigbours}
any advice on what is a quiet one? pete

What kind of machine are you going to put it on? The Chinese hat 2.2Kw with vfd are the favoured ones to get like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/200995278383?isa quone? i am only doing iet limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/200995278383?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0) they are all over ebay. ..Clive

Lee Roberts
15-02-2015, 10:16 AM
See the replies above Useless.

totally useless
15-02-2015, 10:18 AM
ahh thanks for that neale, you spoke of it being quiet and more than anything, thats what i am after {neighbours} :[
any particular chinese model or do i need to design/build or choose a cnc first? hanks. pete
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totally useless
15-02-2015, 10:19 AM
thanks clive, :]

totally useless
15-02-2015, 10:25 AM
Hi Lee,
Thanks for the advice, i may or may not be jumping the gun with asking about spindles/routers and bits as i have not even built/had one built for me yet, but i am unsure what is the starting point of a design, but certainly a quiet spindle would be a must in my case.
pete

Saracen
15-02-2015, 10:37 AM
A couple of things spring to mind.

The Kress weighs 1.7kg whereas the water cooled spindles seem to weigh around 5.5kg to 6kg. This additional weight, cantilevered out from your Z axis, will need a much more rigid machine to stop it flexing. Also, the water cooled spindle will be able to take bigger cuts, which also increases the loads on the frame.

Also, for your application, whilst you should get the quietest spindle you can, you also need to take into consideration the noise created by the bit cutting into the material.

Watch a few YouTube videos to see the difference between the bit cutting air and cutting wood.

If noise is an issue, it might be worth including an sound deadening enclosure in your designs from the outset.

Adrian.

totally useless
15-02-2015, 10:48 AM
Hi Adrian

Thanks for the reply and info. you experienced guys are invaluable with your inputs and advice to total laymen as i am,
the weight and sound deadening advise again a big thank you, pete

Clive S
15-02-2015, 12:58 PM
Hi Adrian

Thanks for the reply and info. you experienced guys are invaluable with your inputs and advice to total laymen as i am,
the weight and sound deadening advise again a big thank you, pete
If you want to see one running you are more than welcome to pop along and see mine. ..Clive

totally useless
15-02-2015, 01:17 PM
hi clive/adrian. thats really nice of you, i am in cheshire, where are you?

Clive S
15-02-2015, 03:24 PM
hi clive/adrian. thats really nice of you, i am in cheshire, where are you?If you hover with your mouse over the UK flag it says Stockport but I am in Marple about 3 mile from Stockport. ..Clive

EddyCurrent
15-02-2015, 04:16 PM
Neale mentioned the most important point I think, the ER20 collet of a decent spindle, which is a must.

cropwell
15-02-2015, 06:34 PM
If you were to go for a Kress (and I am not advising either way) look at http://www.sorotec.de/shop/Spindle-Motors/Routers/Routers-301/ and note the price compared with MD's asking price.

totally useless
15-02-2015, 06:46 PM
Hi .Thanks for that, i would have checked out out prices before buying, i just posted that as an example, but many thanks for the heads up ...Much appreciated :]


If you were to go for a Kress (and I am not advising either way) look at http://www.sorotec.de/shop/Spindle-Motors/Routers/Routers-301/ and note the price compared with MD's asking price.

totally useless
15-02-2015, 07:23 PM
Hi Clive.

Yes i see now {the flag thing} well Marple isn't that far, i would certainly like to take you up on your offer, to get a gauge of the noise level.
unfortunately i work early till late monday to friday, would a weekend day be okay for you? i could make it any time sat or sundays.
pete


If you hover with your mouse over the UK flag it says Stockport but I am in Marple about 3 mile from Stockport. ..Clive

Clive S
15-02-2015, 11:01 PM
Hi Clive.

Yes i see now {the flag thing} well Marple isn't that far, i would certainly like to take you up on your offer, to get a gauge of the noise level.
unfortunately i work early till late monday to friday, would a weekend day be okay for you? i could make it any time sat or sundays.
petePete That's fine by me. I will PM you my address and Number. ..Clive

Trispectiv
15-02-2015, 11:19 PM
Either tool will need an enclosure if it is run in an apartment. Both for noise and the wood dust being produced when cutting.