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My new machine - Guess the make!
I've been on this forum since April 2020, asked a few daft questions, got my head around what I'm after and have recently collected and set up my new machine.... Maybe you know the chap who made it?..... Goes by the name Jazz something or other.....
Anyhow, after many lengthy emails and conversations discussing needs/wants type of build, this Jazz bloke who also likes to be called Dean has rustled a few part together to produce my first CNC. Feels solid as a rock and weighs more than one too. Me and 3 mates were at our limit lugging this brute into my workshop.
Just like to say a massive thanks to Dean for all the info, the 4 hours I spent with him 'upt North showing me the ropes. Has got me off to a cracking start and he is a top bloke to boot. I'd gladly recommend anyone chatting to Dean to see if he can build something to their needs. Can't see you going wrong really with the knowledge he has.
Anyhow, here are a couple of pics and I even tidied my workshop up all special like.:tennis:
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I surely hope that you sent him box of PG tips he will appreciate that. 🤔😊🔥
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Clive S
I surely hope that you sent him box of PG tips he will appreciate that. 🤔😊🔥
Now you know it's HobKnobs that get the most appreciation and you can stick those PG tips where the monkey can't reach them.! . . . Yorkshire tea or nothing..:whistle:
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Thanks for posting Pilsbury. As someone somewhat further down the waiting list for one of these machines, I was hoping to get an early glimpse of one on this forum.
Certainly is tidy. But please we want more......photos, video, impressions. Good luck as you take your first steps into CNC
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Andrewg
Thanks for posting Pilsbury. As someone somewhat further down the waiting list for one of these machines, I was hoping to get an early glimpse of one on this forum.
Certainly is tidy. But please we want more......photos, video, impressions. Good luck as you take your first steps into CNC
It's happening Andrew we are working through the list nicely, this was the first out the door, the second one went on Friday. We have machines scattered around the new workshop in various build states as Pilsbury will confirm. It will be worth the wait.:encouragement:
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And I tidied my workshop up as well
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BTW Jazz, Bottom right of the photo is a jar of double cable insulated bootlace ferrules - neater than an uninsulated one.
Cheers,
Rob
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Very neat! Nice to see Dean using some of the same design ideas as me :cool:
I like the bespoke furniture making the best use of limited space.
I tried to tidy up... a bit.
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Certainly is tidy. But please we want more......photos, video, impressions. Good luck as you take your first steps into CNC
Ok then, more photos coming soon as I’m mid way cutting my first “proper piece” 😉
But some first impressions. Heavy. Very bloody heavy. Sure Dean may correct me, but my guess is 400kg. All parts are heavy duty, either thick steel box section for the frame or milled aluminium....guessing over 1/2” thick. Totally rigid which is key to accuracy and decent cuts. Ploughs through the wood I’ve presented it with and I bet I’m cutting conservatively. Can cut aluminium as shown by Dean’s test piece he gave me. I’ll save aluminium for a later date. Electrics wise, I know little about, except to say the electric enclosure is neat, tidy and well laid out. Certainly not a worm’s wedding!
I’ve had zero mishaps, no broken bits, no issues at all and I’ve done a fair bit of cutting now. But that must be down to my extensive CNC experience (5 hours) 😉
Perhaps tomorrow when I’ve finished my current piece, I’ll post some photos of my efforts so far. Promise to be gentle.... I’ll also some more machine photos
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cropwell
BTW Jazz, Bottom right of the photo is a jar of double cable insulated bootlace ferrules - neater than an uninsulated one.
Cheers,
Rob
Don't really get the gist of what your meaning by this Rob.?
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Very neat! Nice to see Dean using some of the same design ideas as me :cool:
Erm, I'm struggling to see any correlation Kit other than both use Steel and water-cooled spindle.?
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But some first impressions. Heavy. Very bloody heavy. Sure Dean may correct me, but my guess is 400kg. All parts are heavy duty, either thick steel box section for the frame or milled aluminium....guessing over 1/2” thick.
Well, Solid Works say 265Kg but I've got a feeling that was calculated using a 3mm wall tube and we have used 4 and 5mm with a scattering 10mm steel plate for things like gantry sides. The aluminum parts are a mixture of 10mm, 15mm, and 20mm. I'm thinking the extra 100kg+ discrepancy could be the powder coating...:hysterical:
I haven't actually weighed a finished machine yet because soon as they are finished I'm trying to get them out the door, just don't drop it on your toe is my advice...:hysterical:
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Here is some more for Andrewg as promised. Is there such a thing as CNC porn?
Projects to date shown tomorrow
Dean, the marketing bill is in the post!
https://youtu.be/jnhS8BLZF3U
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Here is some more for Andrewg as promised. Is there such a thing as CNC porn?
Projects to date shown tomorrow
Dean, the marketing bill is in the post!
Mark, or is that Mr. Spielberg whichever you're a super star. The best bit for me was the credits, made me chuckle. . . . The cheque is in the post.
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Very nice, Have fun with it
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:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::applause:
Thanks Pilsbury, love the trailer can't wait for the show proper to start!
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Erm, I'm struggling to see any correlation Kit other than both use Steel and water-cooled spindle.?
Dean,
I was, as usual, being slightly facetious, your standards and mine are very different for good reasons. But the key point I had in mind is...
I can't see this for certain but it looks like the fixed rails, leadscrews and motors on each side are all fixed to a single beam which allows adjustment of the rail spacing without upsetting the relative alignment of those elements. It also makes the machine simpler to disasemble for transport and instalation without upsetting the alignment, a factor which would be important if the workshop is in an attic as this one looks like it might be from the photographs, though I wouldn't want to carry 400Kg up the stairs, even in several pieces and I certainly wouldn't want to sleep in the bedroom directly underneath it!
I built my new steel framed machine in this way after having endless problems getting everything lined up all at once on the last of my wood and MDF versions.
Pilsbury,
Brilliant video! I also like the credits, though you might be in trouble for leaving out "Post Production Catering - Wife" if you have one and she brought you a cup of tea during the editting.
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if the workshop is in an attic as this one looks like it might be from the photographs,
It looks to me be put in a timber shed with panels on the internal framing and a window in the left hand side. Very nice machine though :applouse:
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Looks great, the machine and the movie.
Now can you remove it immediately, I am trying to get on the waiting list for a machine myself and I don`t want too much competition !!!
Ollie
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It looks to me be put in a timber shed with panels on the internal framing and a window in the left hand side. Very nice machine though :applouse:
Failed to notice the window first time round. A far more sensible interpretation.
I agree, it's a very nice machine. You can see how years of experience have resulted in a design that makes efficient use of material and simplified construction without compromising quality. If I ever build another router I'm going to trawl the forum for every picture of a recent Jazzcnc machine and study them carefully.
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Yes, it is indeed a shed. Although the base is solid, slabs, 4x2, boards and ply on top, the machine still wobbles a bit as it’s doing it’s thing due to the weight and swift movements. A job for the future is to move it, cut through the shed base, dig down and fill holes with concrete so the 4 legs each have their own solid pad.
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Ah, and I was thinking of putting my machine on industrial castors so it could be easily moved forward for 'pass through' jobs. Maybe I should be considering how I bolt it's stand to the wall of my shed for great ridgidity instead!?
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Ah, and I was thinking of putting my machine on industrial castors so it could be easily moved forward for 'pass through' jobs. Maybe I should be considering how I bolt it's stand to the wall of my shed for great ridgidity instead!?
Nonsense :)
My mill is sat on a large steel bench that sits on machine castors (it was to be a frame for a router but I chickened on the build). The castors for moving the bench into position, the mill came later. There's no fricken way that thing moves (I think it's growing into the floor!) - even if I try to move it. Build it heavy :)
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Ah, and I was thinking of putting my machine on industrial castors so it could be easily moved forward for 'pass through' jobs. Maybe I should be considering how I bolt it's stand to the wall of my shed for great ridgidity instead!?
If you bolt it to the shed wall it will shake the shit out of your shed! Honestly, these are powerful heavy beasts. With the gantry shifting around it shakes its bulk with it. A solid floor is what is needed in my opinion. And as I see it in a shed situation, a concrete base...... which mine has not got, hence my concrete pads for each foot.
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If you bolt it to the shed wall it will shake the shit out of your shed! Honestly, these are powerful heavy beasts.
That comment just reminded me of a funny story regards a machine build which exactly that did happen.!!
I built a relatively small 600x400 but heavily built machine for a guy who always spoke about his "Workshop" and where it was going, ie in the corner, with the only question asked about being how strong a bench would be needed.? So I answered with "Very and makes sure it's fastened to the wall as these things have a lot of inertia when moving fast".
Anyway, when I arrived to deliver it the workshop turned out to be a box standard 8x4 garden shed, inside it was immaculate with every square inch of space used, with custom made shelves holding every type of jam jar and re-usable container known to man full nuts n bolts, screws, and neatly hanging tools on the walls, etc you name it, a workshop Santa's Elf would be proud of.!
So I looked at the bench and sure enough, it was strong and fastened to the wall, albeit the Shed wall, So I said you'll need to take the stuff off the shelves which he did while I was getting the machine out of the Van. Anyway, I get the machine in and on the bench and while I was setting it up, he started putting the stuff back on the shelves.
I said "Think you might want to wait before you do that because you might want to Re-think those shelves.! Why.? he asked.. . . . Because when this thing starts to boogie your Mrs will think you are having a rock concert in here.!... At which he laughed and that was it. So show him the ropes and I left it with him an set off home.!
Four hours later the phone rang and the voice said " I thought you meant a Rock disco because of the noise, not that fact it would rock the shed, Now I get what you meant about Re-thinking the shelves. My Mrs come running into the workshop to see what the matter was because from the kitchen window all she could see was the shed rocking from side to side" . . .:hysterical:
The next time I went all the shelves had gone and the "Workshop" was substantially reinforced on the outside with buttress's . . .:hysterical: :hysterical:
And on the powerful theme, I've got another "Shed" story.!
This time with a larger machine 4 x 4 router. This shed was a real beast of a shed, concrete floor, railway sleepers for corner posts and structural beams with plywood lined insulted walls with front and rear up and over doors, proper deluxe Shed.!... So no comments from me this time about the shelves but because he wanted the machine right up to the rear door I warned him about watching what he left on the machine bed because if it wasn't fastened down and the gantry caught it that it could shove it through the door. His reply being, I want it there so I can have the door up when using for feeding long stock thru.!. . . Ok, no problem but just watch it because it won't take prisoners.!! . . . . He no longer has a rear up and over door but now has a wall with a large Cat flap due to the fact the machine shoved a sheet of MDF off the bed and through the closed door ejecting both into the garden...:hysterical: :hysterical:
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He should have tried my concrete feet idea! Anyhow, apart from the usual bit holder, colett holder, box etc, here is my first proper effort. Lots of learning points to get me moving from acceptable to perfection but I’m now on the journey!
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He should have tried my concrete feet idea! Anyhow, apart from the usual bit holder, colett holder, box etc, here is my first proper effort. Lots of learning points to get me moving from acceptable to perfection but I’m now on the journey!
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Well, Sir all I can say is Wow, with only a week's experience using a CNC machine you should be massively proud of that and I can't wait to see what's rolling off in a year's time. .:applause::applause::applause:
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He should have tried my concrete feet idea! Anyhow, apart from the usual bit holder, colett holder, box etc, here is my first proper effort. Lots of learning points to get me moving from acceptable to perfection but I’m now on the journey!
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I'll add a 'Wow!' of my own, that's brilliant. I know the Aztec calendar is a popular test but it's the ability to cut out pieces like this that will fit together properly that really tests the accuracy of your machine's geometry. I'm hoping my own contraption will perform reasonably well in this respect once I finish putting it back together.
Re the vibration: it's the accelerations that cause the trouble (apart from shoving sheets of MDF through doors, of course). Different control software has different properties re how much 'jerk' you get, something to do with how many derivatives of the rate-of-change of direction you put in the maths. I was never that hot on calculus. Reducing accleration settings will reduce the gyrations but slow down your cutting of complex shapes.
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I don't know if it is wise to bolt down a machine which has so much in the way of forces moving around on a horizontal plane, or whether vibration mounts are better. What do the big boys do? ???
I have my pillar drill and Lathe bolted down with M12 studding resin bonded into a 6" thick concrete floor slab, but they don't wallop around the workshop that much.
Cheers,
Rob
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I don't know if it is wise to bolt down a machine which has so much in the way of forces moving around on a horizontal plane, or whether vibration mounts are better. What do the big boys do? ???
I have my pillar drill and Lathe bolted down with M12 studding resin bonded into a 6" thick concrete floor slab, but they don't wallop around the workshop that much.
Cheers,
Rob
Not sure either. I wasn’t planning on bolting. The frame itself is very solid and I believe the rocking will be massively better if I can isolate out my less than solid shed floor. If I bolted to my shed floor I think it would be the same. Spring is in that. The feet make solid contact.
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Lovely inlay in that end grain chopping board, Pilsbury. As Kitwin says also a pretty good test of the machine too. What sort of feeds and speeds did you try?
My workshop is brick, with concrete floor, though overlayed with polystyrene, chipboard and lino flooring. Think I will see how it fairs on a bench (something like this) before lifting floors or bolting to wall. ( No mine will not come with the stand)
Thanks for sharing
Andrew
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Lovely inlay in that end grain chopping board, Pilsbury. As Kitwin says also a pretty good test of the machine too. What sort of feeds and speeds did you try?
My workshop is brick, with concrete floor, though overlayed with polystyrene, chipboard and lino flooring. Think I will see how it fairs on a bench (something like
this) before lifting floors or bolting to wall. ( No mine will not come with the stand)
Thanks for sharing
Andrew
The 3mm EM I ran at 18000rpm and 3000mm/min. 3mm deep cut. Seemed to sound fine to me. But really I have no clue what I’m listening for. The 15^v bit again 3mm cut and 18000rpm but lowered to 2000mm/minute. Absolutely zero method to my madness!
I hate to poop on your parade, but in my limited opinion, that bench won’t cut it unless you brace the hell out of it. This thing shifts it’s weight around something chronic!
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I hate to poop on your parade, but in my limited opinion, that bench won’t cut it unless you brace the hell out of it. This thing shifts it’s weight around something chronic!
I was minded to say something similar about the bench.
All this discusion of machines jerking around reminded me (as I briefly mentioned above) of the so-called "s-curve" trajectory planning that uses varying as opposed to fixed acceleration rates. The G2Core software (which will run on an Arduino DUE board) from Synthetos includes this and I had a look at using it a few years ago but didn't persue it. For anyone interested there's an explanation on the G2Core wiki at the address below. Presumably this sort of control is implemented in some of the more expensive software but is not yet used in LinuxCNC, MACH3 or UCCNC as far as I can tell from a search on various forums. UGS will drive G2Core but only via USB I think.
https://github.com/synthetos/g2/wiki...tion-Explained
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Looks like a good solid build.
Am looking into buying a CNC i think i have now found my dream machine :)
What are you using VCarve Pro?
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Using Aspire - which is basically the same with some design stuff added.
As for dream machine - seems to be working very well - I think you'd be hard pushed to get better bang for your buck. Give Dean a call or message. Think you'll be on a waiting list. But heeegh, I waited 6 months. Glad I did. Gave me plenty of time to research the hell out of stuff.
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I've also updated that little promo video to cut out some of my nonsence rambling. Added a shot of a nice new little toy in it... Thanks Dean:eagerness:
Feel free to use for JazzCNC promotion
https://youtu.be/9XuxA7CI-Nc
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Looks like a good solid build.
Am looking into buying a CNC i think i have now found my dream machine :)
What are you using VCarve Pro?
Welcome to the forum. What is your dream machine ?
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Welcome to the forum.
Thanks!
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What is your dream machine ?
The one in this thread that belongs to Pilsbury :)
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Thanks!
The one in this thread that belongs to Pilsbury :)
Naahhh. You want the machine that belongs to me.
Oh, sorry! You said 'dream' not 'nightmare'.
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Pilsbury
I've been on this forum since April 2020, asked a few daft questions, got my head around what I'm after and have recently collected and set up my new machine.... Maybe you know the chap who made it?..... Goes by the name Jazz something or other.....
Anyhow, after many lengthy emails and conversations discussing needs/wants type of build, this Jazz bloke who also likes to be called Dean has rustled a few part together to produce my first CNC. Feels solid as a rock and weighs more than one too. Me and 3 mates were at our limit lugging this brute into my workshop.
Just like to say a massive thanks to Dean for all the info, the 4 hours I spent with him 'upt North showing me the ropes. Has got me off to a cracking start and he is a top bloke to boot. I'd gladly recommend anyone chatting to Dean to see if he can build something to their needs. Can't see you going wrong really with the knowledge he has.
Anyhow, here are a couple of pics and I even tidied my workshop up all special like.:tennis:
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Very nice machine and shed, but everything looks so clean and sterile, like nothing has been used before. I wish I could keep my place this clean. OK, my CNC is just as clean, but that's in my normal home office/hobby room/electronic workshop, my other machines, like drill, saw and so on is in a hobby workshop, where it is clean to be a workshop, but not as sterile as your place. I like clean work spaces, so I honestly envy you for the cleanliness.
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Pilsbury
Yes, it is indeed a shed. Although the base is solid, slabs, 4x2, boards and ply on top, the machine still wobbles a bit as it’s doing it’s thing due to the weight and swift movements. A job for the future is to move it, cut through the shed base, dig down and fill holes with concrete so the 4 legs each have their own solid pad.
You can also consider doing what I did.
http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/14390...-heavy-DIY-CNC
I would just try to lower it from the castors to the floor and let it rest on some extra wooden blocks. To me it was a big improvement when I did that. It is less dramatic than having to do what you plan to do, but of course, if the floor you have is not stable enough, then you might need to reinforce it, but I would still not bolt the machine to the floor, or to any concrete pads.
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Very nice machine and shed, but everything looks so clean and sterile, like nothing has been used before. I wish I could keep my place this clean. OK, my CNC is just as clean, but that's in my normal home office/hobby room/electronic workshop, my other machines, like drill, saw and so on is in a hobby workshop, where it is clean to be a workshop, but not as sterile as your place. I like clean work spaces, so I honestly envy you for the cleanliness.
I have in the past worked in mess. You get used to it. My workshop is small, 120² ft. I’ve got lots in there so it needs to be tidy. At the end of each day I whip round and tidy up. Therapeutic! The next day when I go in it’s fresh and tidy..... keeps my mind fresh and tidy!