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    I tried the demo for Vcarve Pro and have been saving my pennies to buy it.

    I last checked the prices a month or so ago and it was 470 then I have just rechecked it and they have put it up to 540 thats a 70 rise.
    Last edited by davo453; 04-10-2016 at 05:33 PM.

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    That's because they had to pay for all my coffee and cheesecake at the open day last Wednesday, - burp:
    If you think Vectric is bad then price up Artcam.

    Thought you were using the free version of Fusion 360 ?
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    Autodesk have always been expensive I was an 8086 assembler coder for them in the 1980's (pre Windows) and they were even more expensive then (had to be to afford me).

    Just a shame Vectric are using the fall in the value of the pound as a reason to put the prices up when it's developed and marketed from here.

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    The way i see it anything higher than 100-150 euro is not meant for hobby. That should be clear. And if its business, then the price of 699$ is not so big. Just another tool. That's how i think and that's how they think. And that's how it will be or the other scheme:pay 30-100 per month till the end of the days

    What exactly were you going to use Vcarve for?

    Fusion may be good for general machining, but specialised signmaking programs like Vectric are simply way ahead for their purpose.

    i would suggest that ESTLCAm for 50 euro can do as much as vectric, if not more in some details as having the ability to generate trochoidal toolpaths. It has some small drawbacks and details that have to be further polished too, but nothing to worry on signmaking and general jobs.

    Recently i had started to use it alot. Especially for the reason of the trochoidal toolpaths. I can do the same in NX but it will take me an hour just to program a pocket job, that's why i have difficulty learning the CAM part of it. I am telling you- it will be 50 euros well spent, believe me on that
    Last edited by Boyan Silyavski; 04-10-2016 at 06:47 PM.
    project 1 , 2,Dust Shoe ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davo453 View Post
    Autodesk have always been expensive I was an 8086 assembler coder for them in the 1980's (pre Windows) and they were even more expensive then (had to be to afford me).

    Just a shame Vectric are using the fall in the value of the pound as a reason to put the prices up when it's developed and marketed from here.
    ??? How can Fusion 360 which is free for small users be expensive ??

    I can understand Vectric move as their biggest market is the States. They do two, sometime three 2 day seminars over in the States every year but we only get a one day event and that is never over subscribed. It's done more to keep the natives in line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John S View Post
    If you think Vectric is bad then price up Artcam.
    Autodesk bought Delcam a few years ago, and just released their new version of ArtCAM.
    Since it's now subscription based, it's actually quite affordable. Less than 1/5 the cost of Aspire per year, with comparable features.
    Unless you go with the Pro version which is still crazy expensive.
    Gerry
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    What ever the affordability of Vectric products compared to the rest of the market is I still don't see that a 15% rise in prices (on some products more/less on others) is reasonable.

    Aspire has gone up by 205
    Vcarve Pro by 70
    Vcarve Desktop by 40
    Cut2D Pro by 50
    Cut2D Desktop by 15
    Cut3d by 35
    PhotoVCarve by 15

    As I said the company is based in the UK saying the UK price has gone up because of the decrease in the value of the pound is disingenuous.

    If the pound falls then the US price should be going down not putting the UK price up, I imagine that if the pound does recover (given the present climate highly unlikely) in value they will not be reducing the UK price in fact they may even use it as a reason to put up the US price.

    Obviously they can do what they want with their product that doesn't need stating but it seems greedy from my perspective.

    Maybe I should write my own product if anyone is experienced enough to actually do it then I guess I am but then again 3 years+ to do it is not particularly attractive

    Ho hum...

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    Subscription is only cheap compared to purchase when they've started by supplying a broken product and you need the fixes, and the fixes for the fixes................

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    like best, but ask yourself why you sought advice in the first place and,
    for a simple life, perhaps consider not doing so in future

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    Where I find Vectric to be good is the speed you can do something in it.
    Last night I programmed some Ferrari striker plates up, look simple but there are actually three depths. Already had a DXF file so just import, select tools and then select the 4 operations. Holes, pocket I, sub-pocket 2, and OD.
    Took me all of 15 minutes to do this,. In any other program I have it would have taken twice or even 3 times as long so cost per part is far less.

    John S -

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicniner View Post
    Subscription is only cheap compared to purchase when they've started by supplying a broken product and you need the fixes, and the fixes for the fixes................

    - ;-)
    Generally, yes, this is true.

    But, consier that Aspire is US $2000.
    ArtCAM, with comparable features, is $360/year.

    Roughly, every 2-3 years, an Aspire upgrade is $400.

    After 5 years, you'll have paid $1800 for ArtCAM, and always have a current version.

    To remain current after 5 years with Aspire, you'll have paid more than 50% ($1000) more.
    IF you can't afford the up front price of Aspire, you can get into ArtCAM with a much smaller up front investment. And it would be about 8-9 years before it actually became more expensive.

    I've heard that this version of ArtCAM is comparable to the older ArtCAM Insignia, but I'm not sure.
    Looking at the feature list, it would seem that Aspire might have a few things that ArtCAM doesn't, and ArtCAM may have some features that Aspire doesn't.
    Gerry
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