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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive S View Post
    Have you thought how you will access the mounting bolts on the Z rail blocks (4.jpg) it looks like the Y rails blocks will restrict them. On another point it seems like you are use angle iron for the rail blocks (Y) are you sure that they will be at true right angles and that the inside edge is flat and parallel to the outside edge. ..Clive
    Yes this will be an issue according to these plans but the above plans are only for giving a general idea about the machine. Specific issues ( as the one that you have mentioned ) i think will be solved with small conversions. As for the iron angles the most possible scenario is to have them perfectly milled or use aluminium angles that are more accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by EddyCurrent View Post
    Aluminium angle is a lot more accurate than steel so maybe you could use a thicker section aluminium angle instead.
    Do you need the full Z travel ? if not I would move the Z Hiwin blocks further apart.
    Also now is the time to work out where your cable drag chain (energy chain) will sit, you'll need three lengths of the stuff and will need to know the lengths, bend radius, internal dimensions.

    Looks like it's coming together nicely.



    According the plans z axis rails are 400mm the ballscrew (full length ) 501mm carriages distance (outer side 200mm) . That will give z axis a full travel of 200mm. May be ( if that will make the construction better) i will put the carriages at 250mm distance and reduce the full travel to 150mm.

    Question 1
    The above conversion worth the effort ?


    Question 2
    Also I would like to say that I choose to put the Y axis ballscrew at the front of the gantry in order to have the ballscrew as close as possible to Z axis and at the same time having the ballscrew exposed to the off cuts of the spindle.
    Is that correct ?

    Question 3
    Do you think I will need a second side plate at both edges?


    Thanks for your time
    Last edited by ba99297; 02-05-2014 at 12:21 PM.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by ba99297 View Post

    Question 1
    The above conversion worth the effort ?
    Maybe you could put some figures in the stiffness calculator and find out, http://www.mycncuk.com/forums/linear...html#post15791



    Question 2
    Also I would like to say that I choose to put the Y axis ballscrew at the front of the gantry in order to have the ballscrew as close as possible to Z axis and at the same time having the ballscrew exposed to the off cuts of the spindle.
    Is that correct ?
    My machine has the ball screw at the back and so far I have noticed no problems.
    Some people put a plate over the front with a slot for the ball nut bracket, you could fit these to the slot, Toolstation > Ironmongery > Draught Excluders > Heavy Duty Brush Strip
    or keep it like it is and use two of these to keep swarf out Machine Bellows - Arc Euro Trade

    Question 3
    Do you think I will need a second side plate at both edges?
    I would hope it is strong enough as you have it now with one plate but again maybe you could try putting it into the stiffness calculator.
    Spelling mistakes are not intentional, I only seem to see them some time after I've posted

  3. #103
    Roughly in order of priority...(i.e. in order of how much I expect these changes will impact the overall stiffness of the machine:


    1. The thin plates the linear bearings are mounted on are definitely weak points.
    2. Keep the Y-ballscrew where it is - it's well positioned. Moving the ballscrew to prevent exposure to swarf is totally the wrong priority - just guard it if necessary.
    3. The spacing of the bearings on the Z-axis is a bit low - bear in mind the deflection of the linear guide system is proportional to that bearing spacing squared, so every little helps.
    4. Try to compact the Z-axis to reduce overhang - by making cutouts in the plates you should be able to avoid putting the rails on spacer strips.
    5. The Z-ballscrew could be made shorter if you want, but it doesn't really matter.


    You only need the adjustment slots for mounting the X-axis linear bearings to the gantry at one side - on the other side you could use normal holes and mill a reference edge for the bearings to rest against. That will help slightly with getting things square. It's also a good tactic for the other axes - particularly Z in your design.
    Last edited by Jonathan; 02-05-2014 at 02:22 PM.
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    Roughly in order of priority...(i.e. in order of how much I expect these changes will impact the overall stiffness of the machine:


    1. The thin plates the linear bearings are mounted on are definitely weak points.
    Jonathan when you say "The thin plates the linear bearings are mounted on " you mean the carriages of X axis of Y axis or both X and Y axis?
    The "thin plates" of X axis supposed to be 10mm iron. What thickness is suitable ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    The spacing of the bearings on the Z-axis is a bit low - bear in mind the deflection of the linear guide system is proportional to that bearing spacing squared, so every little helps.
    I suppose you mean to increase the distance between the 2 lower and the two upper carriages and that will reduce the Z axis travel

    Should i need a second side plate?


    Thanks
    Vagelis
    Last edited by ba99297; 02-05-2014 at 11:12 PM.
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  5. #105
    After Deans sujestion i put the y axis rails at the front
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    The clearance from the table to the spindle collet is 115mm

    Thanks for your time
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  6. #106
    We've established that the weight of the gantry is not something to be concerned about, so no need for those cutouts between the Y-axis bearings. It'll be stronger if you leave it as a rectangular plate.
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  7. #107
    Jonathan i agree with you but i must leave at least one small cutout in order to be able to work with the ball screw and also in order to pass the ballnut . How thick plate(steel) plate should i use? At he above plans the plate is 10mm. Also i want to say that i put the ballscrew near the bottom of the gantry and not at the middle, in order to have the ballnut as close to the collet as possible. Is that correct?
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  8. #108
    Hi guys.
    I come back with some final questions before I go on with my machine.
    Next week the hiwin profiled rails and carriages will arrive so I will have in my hands all the pieces so I can laser cut the steel and aluminum plates, and the box section tubes.
    First I want to say that the machine frame will be made from 80X80X4 steel tubes.
    Here is a general overview of the machine

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    I I wont use a movable cutting surface as I first had in mind. The cutting surface and the clamping system will look like this.

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    On the 80X80X4 steel tubes I will weld 80X40X3 vertical pieces and between them 40X40 tslot aluminum profile. On the 80X40X3 steel tube, 19mm plywood will be bolted. If there is any comment I will be glad to hear it.


    Now regards the gantry it will be made from 2 80X80X4 tubes(in the middle ) and 2 120X60X4 tubes (up and down) welded together like this. At the back side of the gantry all the tubes wont be in the same plane. The 80X80 tubes will exceed 2cm to make space for the ball nut mount flange.

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    The ganty will be welded and then bolted straight to the hiwin carriages ( after I apply epoxy at the bottom side of the gantry ).


    And now I come with my questions.
    The clearance (after Deans suggestion ) from the lower point of Z to the cutting surface is 180mm. The travel of Z is nearly 130mm. When z axis is at its lowest point the situation is this




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    That means 6mm from spindle choke to the cutting surface.



    When z axis is at its higher point the situation is this
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    That means 136mm from spindle choke to the cutting surface.


    Is that Ok?This is very critical for the machine construction as any mistake here will need frame reconstruction. Generally is there rule about what is the distance from the choke to the cutting surface when Z is at its lower point.?


    Finally i want to ask about resonane. Is it better to use these red plates


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    Or it is better to use a 80X80 tube to connect vertialy left upper side of the frame with the rights upper side of the frame

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    Thanks for your time and i will be glad to hear any suggestion

    Vagelis
    Last edited by ba99297; 29-06-2014 at 10:06 PM.
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  9. #109
    Hi, I don't think it is a good idea to weld the hiwin carriages if that is really what you mean .G.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by GEOFFREY View Post
    Hi, I don't think it is a good idea to weld the hiwin carriages if that is really what you mean .G.


    You are right. By mistake i wrote "weld". I meant bolted. Thanks for the correction. I have already correct the mistake
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