silyavski, it was not nearly as bad as you are making out, remember it was others who said it was a 'disaster' not me.
Last edited by EddyCurrent; 28-08-2014 at 07:52 AM.Spelling mistakes are not intentional, I only seem to see them some time after I've posted
Last edited by Boyan Silyavski; 28-08-2014 at 09:17 AM.
Thank for your answers.
Syliavski also thanks for your intention to help
I will search a little more and if i didnt find anything i will let you know.
My last search bring me up to this company. Have a look at the page that discribes its products
PR 220 (resin) with EM316 (hardener ) has 120-150 minutes pot life
PR 220 (resin) with EM317 (hardener ) has 200-250 minutes pot life !!!! but not curing at room temperature
Here in Greece they import only 315 hardener to be combined with PR220 resin. This hardener suppose to be the fast, but it has pot life 50-60 minutes 200 gr at 25C ( when west system 105+209 has 40-50 minutes 100gr at 22 C). When i ask about the price ( here in Greece ) they told me 22 euros+vat but am not sure if they are talking about the PR220 or PR102 resin. Have a look.
Last edited by ba99297; 28-08-2014 at 07:46 PM.The creative adult, is the child who survived
Long time has passed since my last post
It is because after summer holidays, schools starts and (as I am a school teacher-computer science) I had too much work.
Last night I decide to restart by installing the hiwin profiled rails
I start with X axis in order to install the master rail. I measure, I mark the holes and then drill with 4mm first and then with 4.2mm in order to tap the m5 bolts.
Then I bolt two carriages on a steel plate st39 ( not perfectly milled yet ) and then I put the carriages on the rail. The movement isn’t very easy. As I put pressure on the plate, the movement become easier ( as cause of preload overcoming). I didn’t lubricate the rail or the carriage for this first test.
I didn’t epoxy level the 80X80 beams (where the rails rest) as when I test them against straight edge I didn’t notice more than 0,15mm gap, so I will go on with shimming.
My questions are
- Do I have to lubricate the carriages for these first test travels
- What will be the normal pressure for moving the carriages
- As I apply force in order to overcome the preload forces I hear a sound from the carriages (krrrrrrrr ) is this normal?
Later I will come with photos and videos to show how the carriages move.
Thanks for your time
VagelisThe creative adult, is the child who survived
0.15mm is a pretty huge misalignment for these sorts of rails. The datasheets specify something in the order of micrometers.
- I would, since if you're having trouble aligning them then you're potentially putting big forces on them, so lubrication might help prevent damage.
- About the same as before the rail is mounted. When a flanged carriage is bolted down to a flat surface, the carraige is often designed to distort and apply slightly more preload, so you may notice an increase in friction. However if you leave the carraiges off what they mount on for now, there should be no more friction with the rail bolted down. If there is then your rail is seriously bent.
- No ... sounds like the rail, or something, is bent a lot.
Last edited by Jonathan; 25-11-2014 at 10:48 AM.
You will do it right, just don't be in a hurry. It's a precision work.
Use oil not WD40!!!
RTFM!! Download and read the Hiwin Manual. Where the say about the WD40 by the wayNot oiled makes noise but moves freely
I told you need straight edge. Spend 60 eur and buy at least the 1meter one. It would easily show your real misalignment spots.
Don't push anything directly, I mean the bearing blocks. Work around them so everything is straight and so that screws are in the middle of the hole. Where necessary to widen holes.
Last edited by Boyan Silyavski; 25-11-2014 at 03:29 PM.
Jonathan and Syliavski thanks for your comments.
Syliavski i have already bought 1200mm straight edge
I think that first i have to perfectly mill the plates where the carriages are bolted
Using the straight edge i must then shim the rails to be perfectly flat
Another two question
1. I read the hiwin maual and it says ( for carriages lubrcation ) to use lithium soap base grease. Is tha a MUST or i could use oil ( and what oil ) instead of grease.
2. Do we also lubricate the rails or only the carriages?
Thenks for your participationThe creative adult, is the child who survived
Hi Vagelis ,
I am happy you are on board again
I do not think you have big preload -Z1?
Fist I think krrr is not critical , lubricant will help to reach prrrrr.:)
I only have an use bearing at home so I am waiting the sound result.
The pushing force is a good feedback I suppose
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