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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kevinti View Post
    Hi Lee

    I have just joined the forum. I have purchased a set of Rockcliff plans and I am putting together my shopping list.

    I have a lathe and milling machine, so I can fabricate some stuff. I see from the forum that you have made some Delrin nuts to use with the drive rods. Looking at Google, Delrin seems to come only in round rod or flat sheets. Do you make your nuts from sheet and cut to size, or do you have a source for rectangular Delrin?

    I am also trying to sort out the guide rods for the various axis. Marchant Dice do a kit of parts, but the rods and bushes are metric, I can only find large diameter imperial router bits (from Axminster tools), did you use metric bushes and find a metric router bit for your Rockcliff?

    It is great having a UK forum, to be able to track down UK suppliers.

    Many thanks

    Hi Kevin,

    Yea I work from sheets of delrin, works out cheaper buying it in that way.

    You can find a few sellers on eBay selling off-cuts of delrin fairly cheaply if you want to make some. Rectangular Delrin would be a good point to make though, would save me running it all down on the table saw: D.

    No, I used 1/2" Round Rail on mine, they also come with the bushings to match.

    Do not go anything under 16mm for your rails on your Rockcliff, my machine may as well be a paper weight.

    The 1/2" rails are far too small to do anything substantial, the machine may as well be a PCB machine only. I won’t comment on Dice's 20 years+ of engineering experience that should have told him 1/2" on such a machine was just not viable. O well you live and learn, make of it what you will.

    I can supply you with metric or imperial bushings/rails, if you want to send me a PM i can get you some prices.

  2. #32
    What sort of price is 18mm 3/4inch MDF at the moment?

  3. Quote Originally Posted by No1_sonuk View Post
    What sort of price is 18mm 3/4inch MDF at the moment?
    607mm x 1220mmx18mm in B&Q is £10.79 plus 4 free cuts.

    2440mm x 1220mmx18mm is £14.99 plus 4 free cuts.

    2440mm x 1220mmx25mm is £21.68 plus 4 free cuts (in you can find one that stocks it).

  4. #34
    Having looked at the price of ground steel and oilite bushes at £60+, together with a 20mm router bit, I am beginning to think that I might modify the Rockcliff type C using 20mm rails, support pillars and pillow blocks from Zap, they aren't much dearer, and would probably be easier to fix in place and align.

  5. Hi,

    yes i would suggest that to, i can also supply you the same kit as zapp for the the same prices to :).

  6. #36
    Hi Lee,

    I've read through this interesting (old) thread and wondered if you managed to finish the machine and if you did how useful you found the machine to be.

    Does it do what you wanted and is it fairly accurate?

    I'm planning my first build but don't know whether to jump in with both feet and build a big (expensive) aluminium job straight away or do a cheaper MDF one to get a grip on it. There's so much to learn.

    I want my machine to work wood and make a lot of items which I hope to sell to earn much-needed money so the machine will have to do some production work.

    Many thanks.

  7. #37
    Just bought a part finished Rockliff D with a working size of approx. 900mm x 600mm not sure of the Z. The guy who I bought it from had to give up the workshop that he had. I have taken it apart and propose to strengthen it in various ways in the hope of getting a bit of speed from it. I'm using 4no. 270oz Nema 23s driving M8 threaded stainless steel rod for screws. I am making some anti backlash nuts although I'm not looking for super accuracy. My reason for contacting was to ask if Lee Roberts ever finished his Rockliff as I can't find any trace of it.

  8. #38
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    I built a JGRO design from MDF a few years ago. I won't talk about strength issues here, but using around 900mm M10 threaded rod as a leadscrew (with Delrin anti-backlash nuts) I find that I'm limited to around 900mm/min top speed on the X axis. This is down to leadscrew whip. The JGRO only has a single X leadscrew but that won't make any difference to leadscrew critical speed. If you want it to go faster, use a bigger leadscrew. Bigger diameter means higher rotational speed possible as well as coarser pitch for more speed at same revs. 3nm Nema 23 seems more than adequate to drive it.

  9. #39
    Thanks for the info, a bit dumb of me not to realise the bigger the dia. the faster it goes. I am currently looking at extending the X and Y screws and to fit another bearing support about 100-150mm further forward with a rubber doughnut damper. From what I read this can have a good effect on speed and reduces whip considerably. Any thoughts?

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    Lives in Plymouth, United Kingdom. Last Activity: 6 Hours Ago Has been a member for 3-4 years. Has a total post count of 593. Received thanks 79 times, giving thanks to others 5 times.
    As a very rough guide, going from M10 to M12 with a 1000mm distance between fixed and simple bearings (typical setup) gives a critical speed increase from about 950 to 1200RPM (according to one online critical speed calculator). Given the increase in pitch as well, that's a useful increase in max speed. I don't know what a well-built MDF machine can take by way of cutting forces and hence max cutting speed, although having a decent "rapids" speed is a good thing to have even if you can't cut at that speed.

    I seem to remember someone showing pictures of a damper assembly that claimed to increase max speed recently on the forum; it used some kind of fork that straddled the leadscrew to stop or reduce whip with a lever arrangement to lift it out of the way as the nut went by. Whether or not it would be easier to just fit a larger diameter leadscrew in the first place is moot, although reducing rotational inertia by reducing leadscrew diameter is a good thing in itself. Engineering is very much the art of compromise.

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