Thread: Control Schematic Advice
First of all a big thanks for all the input, it has probably saved me from making many fu*k-ups.
The redesign has now been simplified and is based around the PILZ PNOZ X9P relay and the highly regarded PMDX-126 board.
This seems to have simplified the design as all the individual relays that needed to be hooked up together have been discarded. It has also provides additional features that may be useful such as machine hold.
While individual components have increased in price, I believe the reduced the part count will compensate for this and the final cost will hopefully be in the same ballpark.
I have attached pdf’s of the revised schematics for further comments, before I start digging down into the detail.
Nice drawings Jim, here's what I see;
1. Pin 6 of PMDX-107 should go to VFD ACN (ACM ?) (GRD) terminal.
2. Why is there a switch in the PILZ terminal A1 supply ? it's not normal.
3. Can the PILZ relay contacts handle the VFD supply current ?
4. Can the PILZ relay contacts handle the 70V PSU input current ?Spelling mistakes are not intentional, I only seem to see them some time after I've posted
I often put control panels on the front of the machines and having this cut power to relay is a bit of safety so the relay can't power up when changing tools etc. 24V is Safer than running high voltage into machine and messing around turning main cabinet supply off.
Last edited by JAZZCNC; 06-03-2014 at 05:34 PM.
1. I have gone through manual and agree so I have amended the design.
2. Well Dean has responded to this, so I guess its a matter of personal choice.
3 & 4. Now this is getting a bit deep for me, but if I am reading the Pilz documentation correct the safety contacts can handle 240VAC and 8 amps, but I stand to be corrected.
Thanks for your help
Last edited by EddyCurrent; 06-03-2014 at 08:23 PM.Spelling mistakes are not intentional, I only seem to see them some time after I've posted
I have included a soft start on the 70V power supply to control the inrush current so this should prevent any issues, shouldn't it?
Read on page 1 under "Inductive Load"
It's not so bad that we are talking about AC where the voltage crosses zero at 50Hz so it helps extinguish the arc, unlike DC. I've had 'belts' off both and I can tell you it's easier to let go of AC than DC
Last edited by EddyCurrent; 06-03-2014 at 08:53 PM.Spelling mistakes are not intentional, I only seem to see them some time after I've posted
Jim, that's a very nice schematic you've drawn.
I've just been studying it as you're using very similar components to my panel.
As you're using the second parallel port anyway (M-Hold on K input), it might be worth considering using the 'H' input on J11 for your touch plate rather then pin 9 on J12.
If at a later date you decide to add a digitising probe then you can use pin 9 on J12 for that and enable the 'probe merged inputs mode' on the PMDX-126.
No big deal, just something i've done as I can see myself adding a touch probe at some point.
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I've had a second hand pilz relay on my machine for 3yrs now along with the On/Off switch inline with 24V switching 75v without any issues and before coming to me I'm pretty sure it had done plenty of work so I'm sure it will be fine Jim.
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.
I find this subject dificult as I'm more mechanical biased but have enjoyed the challange.
I'll make Si's amendment to the schematic and lets hope its somewhere near so I can look at the detail as thats bothering me.
More questions to come. Lol
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