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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by PSG View Post
    I am not saying you are wrong JAZZ at all, i am glad you raised the potential issue. But i wouldnt use it if i wasnt sure.
    No problem but with respect at the same time I wouldn't say it if I wasn't sure.!
    Also If that figure of 0.05 expansion over 5yrs is mm's then I'm afraid your fooling your self a little and it will change more than that within a month of varying tempratures.

    But all this aside my main point was not the bed but the frame. The frame is the foundation and any weakness or shape shifting here will show in the work and accuracy. Because you where going to mount the rails directly onto the base then your asking for problems over time.

    Again speaking from experience the work and time involved making from steel will be less than wood, even if your well tooled up and used to working wood which you obviously are just the amount of work and time to get any where near the strength required will be double that of cutting and welding steel.
    Also in the grand scheme unless your getting the MDF free it won't be that much more money has you'll have sealant and all the other stuff required to stop it absorbing moisture.

    You have a Mig and know how to use it so that's half the battle over, for Bench mounted machine then you'll have frame done and welded within short day. To build any MDF machine that's half the strength then you'll need at least 2 full days because of all the sealing.

    Honestly it's not worth the trouble. Just build a Steel frame and use MDF for the Cutting base, 2 sheets one sealed for base and other untreated for a spoil board that gets replaced and surfaced between jobs.

    Regards the screws or R&P then for 4x4 machine then Screws can be used but I would go for 20mm diam with 10mm pitch. 16mm dia is just on the thin side at this length, they do work at this length and are better in some ways because they have less inertia so allow slightly better acceleration etc but again from experience 20mm give that bit better protection from whip and still allow plenty good acceleration and speed.

    If 8x4 then R&P is the better choice unless you want to go into rotating ballnuts but I wouldn't go there yet has it will only confuse the issue.

    Belt drive does work well and it's actually more accurate and efficeint than R&P but in all honesty it doen't work out that much cheaper than ballscrews from China when you take all the Gearing and ratios into account.

    I know your familiar with wood but trust us on this one using MDF is a mistake for light/Med duty home use and massive mistake for small industrial use.!! (Esp if you can weld and have access to equipment.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by njhussey View Post
    one 3m length (chopped into 2 x 1.5m lengths) of 100x50x6mm Ali
    what is this for? gantry? just trying to work out. thx for the help.

    also if i only use one ballscrew, where will that go? wont one either side be better? or did you mean one length each side?

    I am itching to start this now. going to draw up the steel base now and calc how much it will cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZCNC View Post
    No problem but with respect at the same time I wouldn't say it if I wasn't sure.!
    Cheers jazz, i think we got a little bit crossed wires, but you are right. The base was never going to be MDF, this will be a dedicated stand alone machine so need its own proper base. You are also right timewise, and i think i have chosen steel. But i do definitely want a spoil board and a timber bed, alu with vac clamps is way over budgeting things.

    Im just going to Cad up some framework drawings now. will be back with the finish. Probably exactly as NJHUSSEY has drawn but 2d. Sketchup makes my face ache.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by PSG View Post
    what is this for? gantry? just trying to work out. thx for the help.

    also if i only use one ballscrew, where will that go? wont one either side be better? or did you mean one length each side?

    I am itching to start this now. going to draw up the steel base now and calc how much it will cost.
    Yes it's for the Gantry, with a 10mm Ali plate bolted to the front.

    Generally people only go for one ball screw on the Y axis as the bearings aren't spaced that far apart. See added components in pic below.

    You're welcome to have the SKP model if you want, PM me your email addy and I'll send it to you.

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    Neil...

    Build log...here

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    OK, so after great help from all of you, and this design from NJ, here is my cad version of the base framework






  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by PSG View Post
    Sketchup makes my face ache.
    I'm just thinking that when you get the machine going there would be more opportunities for you if you took on some 3D software, not necessarily Sketchup, so why not start now ?
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    you mean start learning the 3d stuff? I did try rhino 3d but only a taster. of course I am interested it would be amazing from a designing perspective

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by PSG View Post
    you mean start learning the 3d stuff? I did try rhino 3d but only a taster. of course I am interested it would be amazing from a designing perspective
    From what I've read and heard Rhino 3D is a good choice.
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    Hi all,

    after a chat with a few people, and a lot of help from one in particular, this is my new and possibly final design for base framework.

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  10. #20
    If the 'top' view shows the actual bed, then I think most would put an additional support right down the centre, top to bottom on your drawing. Also on the screen I'm using just now I can't read the dimensions due to their colour.
    Last edited by EddyCurrent; 19-03-2014 at 10:33 AM.
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