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  1. #21
    Just on the first stages of design. This is the first version for the x-axis cnc mounting. I am looking at using 48 tooth 9mm HTD5 and 16 tooth 9mm HTD5 pulleys. Next drawings will be for the y-axis. Im saving the z-axis till last as I think it will take me a very long time.

    I forgot to add the slots on the stepper mounting to allow for belt tensioning.
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  2. #22
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    have you thought about driving the base of the z axis screw rather than the right angled motion shaft. More direct than either method you described.

  3. #23
    There are 2 kinds of toothed pulleys, timing belt and power transmission. I use XL pulleys because I have been caught out by backlash the one time I strayed. I am not saying HTD5 is wrong, but have you checked?
    Last edited by Robin Hewitt; 31-12-2014 at 11:33 AM.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by i2i View Post
    have you thought about driving the base of the z axis screw rather than the right angled motion shaft. More direct than either method you described.

    Good thought.

    I did have a thought about direct driving the x and y with a stepper. However, after looking at other conversions it seems that everyone has done belt systems rather than direct drive, and only direct drive on smaller machines. All that I could think of for being an advantage would be that you would increase the available torque. Im not sure how much torque is required however im sure that a single Nema 23 3Nm stepper would be suitable for operating the axis'.


    If anyone has any some thoughts on this, again any suggestions would be sooo helpful.

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    Not exactly what i meant. What i was suggesting is to drive the actual Z screw in the knee with a stepper "through a belt reduction if you require", but not through the angle drive present on the front of the knee.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by i2i View Post
    Not exactly what i meant. What i was suggesting is to drive the actual Z screw in the knee with a stepper "through a belt reduction if you require", but not through the angle drive present on the front of the knee.
    I was interested in what axis' would require a belt system in order to reduce cost. I did some tests on the handwheels using a newton gauge and a lever. Here are the results I got.

    Axis NM
    X 1.68
    Y 1.41
    Z-Via Knee 8.0


    I also wobbled the handles and measured how much slack there was in the screw.

    Axis Slack
    X 0.85mm
    Y 0.06mm
    Z - Via Knee 0.08mm


    Im gonna do some more testing but it seems i could get away with out the belt system on the x and y and just direct drive with a 3Nm Nema 23 and use a belt system on the Z.

  7. #27
    In light of this recent discovery. I have re done my basket.

    I use to use AM882 however, after looking around online someone mentioned the DQ860MA Driver being ok instead of the AM882. Im just worried about the lack of sensor less stall detection not being on the DQ860MA. Thoughts ?

    Apart from the drivers im pretty sure on the rest, however if anyone see a major mistake, please let me know.

    For the Z-Axis driven through the knee

    2m2280N High voltage driver
    Nema 34 - Sy85STH156-6204B 12.1Nm
    suitible coupler to go between the Nema 34 and the z-axis rod.

    For the x and y axis

    Nema 23 3Nm
    DQ860MA
    Custom Power Supply
    Coupler to go between Nema 23 and Axis drive.


    I use to use flexible couplers, however in this kind of situation i believe a solid coupler would be appropriate. I don't know of any good suppliers for solid couplers however Im pretty sure I can make them.

  8. #28
    Like this.



    Works quite well for a my uses.
    Some of the parts used

    Stepper motors
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/German-Shi...E:L:OC:GB:3160


    Stepper driver
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Single-Axi...item2ed842f005

    Although I have blown 2 up. One was by turning the Travel handle while it Was moving.
    With careful treatment they now seem ok. I would like to try something better. May be a Gekko....

    Ball screws on X Y X
    I bought 2 Chinese Ball screws with 4 Ball nuts , and had the machine the ends to 16mm, then made suitable sleeves to fit the bearings.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-anti-backl...:X:RTQ:US:1123
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    EDIT
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  10. #30
    Nice Job. Did you not consider higher voltage drives to run the nema 34 motors. ..Clive

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