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    Lives in Ickenham, West London, United Kingdom. Last Activity: 23 Hours Ago Has been a member for 4-5 years. Has a total post count of 973. Received thanks 69 times, giving thanks to others 42 times.
    Thanks. I have a question about enabling '0V' for the drives.

    Currently, to enable the drives, I need to provide 0V to a certain wire which allows a relay to activate (24V).

    I have looked at the wiring diagrams and believe I understand how to wire the limits, E Stop, spindle activate etc.

    What I am unsure of is how to enable a 0V grounding to enable the drives. I could reverse the wiring which means that it will switch the relay on, on providing 24V. There seems to be a specific way to do this in the manual as per below. Here, it seems to be for the same purpose but the 24V and 0V are reversed. Is this what I need?

    There is also an option for 'low active', does this inverse the logic to satisfy the current need for 0V?



    On the topic of the 24V PSU, if you look carefully, there is a bridge there .... :-(

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  2. #112
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    Lives in Ickenham, West London, United Kingdom. Last Activity: 23 Hours Ago Has been a member for 4-5 years. Has a total post count of 973. Received thanks 69 times, giving thanks to others 42 times.
    On the topic of 'enabling', for solenoids etc, I assume it will be custom macros and commands to allow various outputs to be switched on and off as needed?
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    Chaz For the sake of clarity please be aware that the word grounding is not always the same as 0V. Grounding usually what is referred to as the star point ie earth. OV is the -ve from the power supply (but is not always at earth potential). ..Clive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive S View Post
    Chaz For the sake of clarity please be aware that the word grounding is not always the same as 0V. Grounding usually what is referred to as the star point ie earth. OV is the -ve from the power supply (but is not always at earth potential). ..Clive
    Thanks, understood, will be careful with the terminology in future for the sake of clarity.

  5. #115
    Chaz the Cslabs Controller outputs are PNP logic so you can't control 0v only Load. So change the relay around and provide it with Positive.
    The way the outputs work is you provide 24V and 0v to each bank of 4 outputs. Then each output switches the Load. The Load must share the 0v of the Output.

    It's similair with Inputs as well except that each individual Input is provided with 24v & 0v but you can choose which to sense. So can use NPN or PNP logic if required.

    The HV option could be used for enableing the drives but again it just uses an Output so will be PNP logic.
    Low active just changes how it reacts or switches and doesn't inverse the voltage etc. IE: Active if Voltage goes High(24v) or Active if voltage goes Low(0v)
    Or in case of outputs If OUTPUT High Turn it Low when active and vise versa.!

    EDIT: If controlling relay with OUTPUT make sure the relay coil load isn't more than 250mA otherwise you'll damage the OUTPUT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaz View Post
    On the topic of 'enabling', for solenoids etc, I assume it will be custom macros and commands to allow various outputs to be switched on and off as needed?
    Depends what your controlling to whether it's Commands in a Macro or G-code commands. Both will control Outputs or inputs for turning things on or off.
    So for instance to turn on Spindle and Coolant you'll use M3 and M8 which are G-code commands. M5 and M9 will turn them off.

    For tool change you'll use M6 which then reads commands in a Script. This is where you use commands to turn on solenoids etc or read sensors etc and position the machine in correct place for tool change.!! . . . . This is where the funs starts.! . . Lol

    The Cslabs have a very nice feature in that you can use Modbus to control the I/O directly in the controller and completely separate to Mach3 making it very flexible to what can be done with more features than what Mach3 allows and more reliable.! . . . Bit advanced maybe at this stage but you'll like it one day., ,Lol

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    Lives in Ickenham, West London, United Kingdom. Last Activity: 23 Hours Ago Has been a member for 4-5 years. Has a total post count of 973. Received thanks 69 times, giving thanks to others 42 times.
    Thanks JazzCNC.

    I am trying to get the missing solenoids replaced but am stuck with 1 open question.

    There are 4 x small pipes going up to the ATC for left / right / up / down and one single 6mm OD pipe for what I believe to be the drawbar.

    When you look at the spindle however, there is a single pipe, I presume this is the same 6mm pipe to activate the drawbar?

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    the 6mm pipe is for the drawbar

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    Quote Originally Posted by i2i View Post
    the 6mm pipe is for the drawbar
    Perfect, thanks.

    Getting pricing from http://www.jjairsystems.co.uk/ for the manifold, 5 solenoids (2 x ATC left / right), 2 x ATC down / up and drawbar).

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    you wont need 5, just three. The in/out can be done with one valve, same as the up/down.

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