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  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by eurikain View Post
    Yes, that's right, but there are two terminals made to replace the USB port, and I'm currently using them:
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    This could be your problem. The BOB is tying PC ground thru the PP cable to GNd on the 5V supply. For test remove the 5V and power bob using USB.

    Regards Spare cheap BOB's that's like simple adding 2+2=4.???. . . Crap + Crap = Crap so why bother.!

  2. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZCNC View Post
    This could be your problem. The BOB is tying PC ground thru the PP cable to GNd on the 5V supply. For test remove the 5V and power bob using USB.
    Okay this one also is a great idea ! That would explain why the noise does not appear when the PP cable is not connected ! I add this as first entry of my checklist.
    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZCNC View Post
    Regards Spare cheap BOB's that's like simple adding 2+2=4.???. . . Crap + Crap = Crap so why bother.!
    Always knew you were good at math :D

  3. #73
    Well, guys, problem solved ! Guess who was right ??????????
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    JAZZZZZZZZZZ !!!!!

    The 5V signal to the BOB had two routes to 0V... getting the 5V from the PC solves the problem :) This is why disconnecting the PP cable was causing the noise to go away, since it would suppress one of the two 0V possible routes.

    Thanks for your help !

    I do have one more tiny issue:
    Mach3 controls the RUN/STOP signal and spindle speed fine, but the BOB seems to output an unstable signal for the spindle speed control. When running, the frequency can't stay still and keeps going up and down by 1-2 Hz, causing the spindle to run faster/slower (you can hear a slight increase/decrease in speed).

    I can bypass this issue by disabling Mach3 speed control and only do the RUN/STOP, but while I'm at it, let's fix this issue if possible :)

  4. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by eurikain View Post
    Well, guys, problem solved ! Guess who was right ??????????
    Always helps with solving problems if you give us all the facts.!!. . . . . It's was a rather important bit of info you didn't make available, esp considering the BOB and been accused prevously.!

    Quote Originally Posted by eurikain View Post
    I do have one more tiny issue:
    Mach3 controls the RUN/STOP signal and spindle speed fine, but the BOB seems to output an unstable signal for the spindle speed control. When running, the frequency can't stay still and keeps going up and down by 1-2 Hz, causing the spindle to run faster/slower (you can hear a slight increase/decrease in speed)
    It's called Crap Bob Syndrome and I doubt there's much you can do for it.!!

  5. #75
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    It's called Crap Bob Syndrome and I doubt there's much you can do for it.!!
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  6. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive S View Post
    You could try giving it an Asprin
    Nah Bullet straight between the eyes works every time.

  7. #77
    You dorks :D

    Well, a clue could have been that when the 5V PSU was off, its power LED was slightly on (not fully, but you could see some light), indicating that power was flowing from THE PC through to BOB to the 5V PSU (receiving -5V I guess).

    Anyways, problem fixed, let's now move on to cutting !!!!

  8. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by eurikain View Post
    You dorks :D

    Well, a clue could have been that when the 5V PSU was off, its power LED was slightly on (not fully, but you could see some light), indicating that power was flowing from THE PC through to BOB to the 5V PSU (receiving -5V I guess).

    Anyways, problem fixed, let's now move on to cutting !!!!

    Had you originally connected V- on your 5v PSU to GND ?

    On your BoB the terminal marked PC GND is actually the current return path and should not be connected to GND but only to V- on the power supply. The BoB itself has a GND plane connection next to the 12-24v terminal, which is the current return path AND GND for the BoB electronics.
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  9. #79
    Yes that's what I had done. PC GND to 0V of the 5V PSU, and PC +5V to +5V of the 5VPSU.

    Can you provide a quick diagram on how to do what you're explaining ?
    Last edited by eurikain; 21-03-2016 at 11:10 AM.

  10. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by eurikain View Post
    Yes that's what I had done. PC GND to +5V of the 5V PSU, and PC +5V to +5V of the 5VPSU.

    Can you provide a quick diagram on how to do what you're explaining ?

    I trust you mean PC GND to -5v on the power supply.

    On your power supply check with your meter for continuity between -5v and the earth terminal. It should not be connected internally in the power supply. If it is you will have a ground loop. These power supplies are generally not connected between the -5v terminal and the Earth terminal. Also make sure that if you use the 5v power supply that -5v is connected to PC GND on the BoB and nowhere else (I am assuming that you do not have any other requirements for 5v in your control box).

    The Earth connection on the power supply should be connected to the star earthing point to provide shielding for the power supply.

    In a conversation with Graeme, he thought that the power supply, if under loaded, may react badly to interference from the VFD and cause all manner of effects, in fact it could go unstable by itself. So even if you get the earth and current return paths right, you may still have problems as you are only driving the optos on the BoB.

    Jazz hit on a solution, and the PC USB supplying 5v to the BoB is workable, but I do not like using USB ports to provide power as they have limitations.

    If it is working now don't muck about with it, but I still don't believe that we have got to the root cause of the problem.

    Cheers,
    Rob
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