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JOGARA
09-04-2018, 12:26 AM
Just found out about this German company who design in Germany and build in Asia called Optimum Machines.
http://www.optimum-machines.com

I have seen that their little desktop mills get converted a lot but they are releasing some VMCs over the past couple years that are quite small.

Found them through a video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4B0_I9oJA


Looks like the UK seller is http://www.excelmachinetools.co.uk/

https://s9.postimg.org/bb5cmn9pr/image.png (https://postimg.org/image/maqjy904r/)

https://s9.postimg.org/bnwqsu7f3/image.png (https://postimg.org/image/5a7npl2iz/)

https://s9.postimg.org/t1717ov0f/F80.png (https://postimg.org/image/n09cam8e3/)


Anyone heard of them, know much about their machines, thoughts?
Obviously not in a position to buy but interested in finding out more info.

Chaz
09-04-2018, 10:59 AM
It be curious about pricing. Standard looking machines. The smaller ones have spindles that are very underpowered.

The larger one runs on 3 phase which is a problem for most of us. 8000 rpm is OK for most stuff, BT30 is nice. Id estimate this machine to cost somewhere between 10 - 15K, if not a bit more.

JOGARA
09-04-2018, 11:03 AM
It be curious about pricing. Standard looking machines. The smaller ones have spindles that are very underpowered.

The larger one runs on 3 phase which is a problem for most of us. 8000 rpm is OK for most stuff, BT30 is nice. Id estimate this machine to cost somewhere between 10 - 15K, if not a bit more.

I know that the F80 is 30-35k.
The F2 looks a tad too small to me. F3 would be alright.

And yea three phase but should be able to use single to three phase converter as it won't be that much HP?

Chaz
09-04-2018, 11:07 AM
I know that the F80 is 30-35k.
The F2 looks a tad too small to me. F3 would be alright.

And yea three phase but should be able to use single to three phase converter as it won't be that much HP?

30K, ouch. This is why I built my own machine.

There are ways to sort out 3 phase requirements, often its just the spindle motor and/or a coolant pump that needs 3 phase. Most of which can easily be changed.

Id rather look at a smaller Haas mill for 30K or have something built.

JOGARA
09-04-2018, 11:50 AM
Price from http://www.excelmachinetools.co.uk/

F2 Mini Vertical CNC Mill 14,450.00
F3 Mini Vertical CNC Mill 17,995.00

Plus VAT and Postage

Pretty sure this is base price, ATC and extras on top...

Chaz
09-04-2018, 11:52 AM
The Y Axis movement on the F2 / F3 machines is very restrictive too.

komatias
09-04-2018, 04:06 PM
These machines are not too bad though.

I think the castings are all done by Syil. (Was talking to Aaron Powter about this earlier this morning)

For a little less money, you can get the Syil S7 or X7 Combo nowdays, delivered and inclusive of VAT. (Just quoted for one with a Siemens 808D/Advance) <---- scratch that, I saw the price of the Haas, not the ones by Jogara

There is also the option of the Skyfire if you are happy to wait.

JOGARA
09-04-2018, 05:26 PM
These machines are not too bad though.

I think the castings are all done by Syil. (Was talking to Aaron Powter about this earlier this morning)

For a little less money, you can get the Syil S7 or X7 Combo nowdays, delivered and inclusive of VAT. (Just quoted for one with a Siemens 808D/Advance) <---- scratch that, I saw the price of the Haas, not the ones by Jogara

There is also the option of the Skyfire if you are happy to wait.

I have been looking at Skyfire a lot recently (again not in a position to buy a VMC or a little VMC).

They look okay but they are flaky on support as there is language barrier and there are a few quirks with their machines that the SF community have and are working on fixing.


Syil S7 looks to be around 23,000 with enclosure, 8080D, ATC (16 of course) before import and shipping? Only looked on their own website, not a dealer.

magicniner
09-04-2018, 05:36 PM
Apart from the top couple of models the Opti models look like CNC'd small vertical milling machines, on a stand, in a box and lacking a proper VMC Chassis.
If you're looking at a non-tool changer model why not convert a manual mill and build your own stand and box, sliding doors aren't that expensive to build ;-)

JOGARA
09-04-2018, 05:41 PM
Apart from the top couple of models the Opti models look like CNC'd small vertical milling machines, on a stand, in a box and lacking a proper VMC Chassis.
If you're looking at a non-tool changer model why not convert a manual mill and build your own stand and box, sliding doors aren't that expensive to build ;-)

I think I would want ATC if I get to that stage xD

magicniner
09-04-2018, 05:43 PM
The F3 is not ATC

JOGARA
09-04-2018, 05:51 PM
The F3 is not ATC

Thought it might not.

Pretty much only looking at the F80 now as well because of the work envelope.

johngoodrich
09-04-2018, 08:28 PM
30-35k is super expensive. Haas vmc's start at 20k and XYZ machinetools do good mills less that 35k and they are all BT40 spindles so more rigid