Stan Kern and his recent activity on the forum as a new member!

[m_c]

I notice you've changed your username since yesterday, and I'm assuming you think people on here are gullible enough not to notice that you're trying to promote products you've obviously got a vested interest in?

[JAZZCNC]

I notice you've changed your username since yesterday, and I'm assuming you think people on here are gullible enough not to notice that you're trying to promote products you've obviously got a vested interest in?

Personally I've no problems with this as it can be helpful to others, esp if offering forum discount..:whistle: . . however all I'd ask is to keep all the posts to one thread and not start new thread for every post as it knocks others seeking help off the trending list which is where most watch.

[m_c]

Personally I've no problems with this as it can be helpful to others, esp if offering forum discount..:whistle: . . however all I'd ask is to keep all the posts to one thread and not start new thread for every post as it knocks others seeking help off the trending list which is where most watch.

I've got no issues with people promoting stuff honestly, but when they do it in less than transparent ways and act like a spammer, I do have issues.

[Stan Kern]

well i have some explaining to do.
I could not register on this site, not sure why but maybe because I am located in Canada, I tried about 3 times.(site security is very high)
So i asked the logic group rep in Ireland if he could help me get in .
Once i got in then i contacted the web master and asked if i could get the entry around to my name and my location and also asked for a spot in the computing section so the posts
will be in one spot and could be looked at or not
I am not an employee i have know the owner John Walsh since 2007 2008 and we are good friends,and I have been using his drawing boards since then and making utubes
I really enjoy what i am doing and these boards make it simple for me to digitize any paper plans or templates
I am sorry if I upset people here as i am new and really don't want to start off on the wrong foot

[magicniner]

Vaguely interesting posts but their content and thrust is so similar that they might be better in one post.
You have 10 posts in the trending list and have thus knocked 9 off the list, some of which I'm sure I'd rather have seen.

[JAZZCNC]

Vaguely interesting posts but their content and thrust is so similar that they might be better in one post.
You have 10 posts in the trending list and have thus knocked 9 off the list, some of which I'm sure I'd rather have seen.

+1 on that

[Stan Kern]

I am sorry you all feel like that , i enjoy posting my work and I do a variety, i have found the drawing tables have been a big help to me digitizing all my hand drawn plans
from way back
And I thought keeping these posts like any other computer software title list would be best for me
I have never had comments like this before .

[AndyUK]

I am sorry you all feel like that , i enjoy posting my work and I do a variety, i have found the drawing tables have been a big help to me digitizing all my hand drawn plans
from way back
And I thought keeping these posts like any other computer software title list would be best for me
I have never had comments like this before .

Hi Stan,

I for one have enjoyed your posts, so please keep them coming.

However, I agree with the others that they should be all in one thread - I think this way you'll get a lot more views and positive replies. There are quite a few makers on the forum which do something similar, and its always nice to see their thread popup with the latest creation, but also to be reminded of what they've done in the past.

And unfortunately the other members have another point about the 'recent posts' column; it is what most of us use to see whats going on, so to have one person 'flooding' it with lots of single post threads with no replies will stifle conversation in other threads because we miss whats happened in them.

As I say, keep them coming, but in a happier format which will gather more attention :)

[Stan Kern]

Thanks for the good comment Andy, i will look further into how these are posted --mind you I posted about 9 , normally i would be posting one or three in a month so that should not flood that main screen .
Secondly i looked at the other titles under computing ie vetric , autocad and the logic trace format is the same.if vetric posted 9 posts right now it would be the same log jam.
So I should be careful not to post to often and a bunch as that's what people get angry about
I feel terrible how this was accepted as its exciting , simple and easy to digitize and I wanted to show that to others in case they go that route,
As i said I have been using from a single Cal comp drawing board III to now the jumbo 4 board layout enabling me to trace out full size counter tops , boats , large plans etc
I would like an aircraft set of floats plans to digitize but they are not made of plywood anymore .so thats not going to happen

stan

[Kitwn]

Stan,
Very interesting videos, I'd love one of those digitising tablets if I had the room and the cash!

Since all your posts are on the same theme, I think most people would prefer you to make each new posting a reply to your own single thread rather than a new thread of it's own, especially with so many in quick succession. Please don't be put off contributing to the forum.

Kit

[Stan Kern]

I will continue posting but I will not post a bunch like i did, that was the bad part .
I will keep it to one every so often
I like this site layout and appreciate the section for logic trace program

[JAZZCNC]

I will continue posting but I will not post a bunch like i did, that was the bad part .
I will keep it to one every so often
I like this site layout and appreciate the section for logic trace program

Stan, I think lots will be interested, I know I am, just post them all in the same thread so not filling the trending list and everybody will be happy. Keep them coming and thank you for sharing.

[Neale]

...and thanks for posting pictures of the digitising hardware. I had been looking at your posts which effectively had a before and after view of things, and there was an implied "and then a miracle happens!" phase somewhere between! I did wonder what was sitting behind the process you described.

All good stuff. Not something that I have a particular use for myself but it's always interesting to see what's out there and sometimes you get inspired by looking at different techniques.

[Stan Kern]

I have been using John's drawing boards since 2007-2008 and I was never a cad person, so its been a good thing for me , as a cabinet maker I drew all my own plans
and with this technology I was able to digitize certain parts for the cnc machine
I always find it amazing just what can be traces
I use the drawing boards a lot

[JAZZCNC]

Whats the cost of one of these boards and software.?

[Stan Kern]

here is a contact person in [email protected]
let me know if you need anything else

stan

[JAZZCNC]

here is a contact person in [email protected]
let me know if you need anything else

stan

I'm guessing they are expensive then if need to contact someone.! . . . . I was purely interested out of curiosity, not going to the trouble of emailing etc wasting both our times.

[Stan Kern]

I am sorry i don't have any pricing , my boards are older now but i keep up with software updates.
I do know a lot of plasma operators purchase a single drawing board.
but that contact i gave you will have UK pricing

[m_c]

Pricing is on the website. For the UK - http://www.logicgroup.com/TLG/QuoteUK.html then just tick what version you're interested in.

[JAZZCNC]

Pricing is on the website. For the UK - http://www.logicgroup.com/TLG/QuoteUK.html then just tick what version you're interested in.

Ouch.!!! . . .got to do a lot of tracing to get that back.!

[AndyUK]

I've used one on a boat before; they're quite fun and useful because you can slap any chart on the table, register the four corners, and it can instantly tell you where you are and what the GPS coordinates of the thing you're hovering over are, how far it is away from you and at what heading.

Virtually obsolete now with chart plotters... But hey.

[JAZZCNC]

Sorry, Stan but you are doing it again. Posting multiple threads and knocking people off the trending list, It's not really fair to those who are looking for help.

You will still get people viewing and following if you post in the same thread and IMO it's better to do so because if anyone wants to find you in the future or look back all your posts are in the same place. It's also easier for others to direct new people to your thread.!

[Stan Kern]

I am doing it again, but it won't be a bunch , this three and thats it for awhile .
I prefer all the posts under the title logic trace like the other titles there , they are not continued
I go straight to a title when i am looking for info , you are saying I am cluttering up the front page.
i prefer this method and i will keep the nunbers down.
sorry if it upsets you

[Clive S]

Stan: I am not sure you are understanding this.
If you use the same thread and add to it. It will still go onto the trending list even if you have not posted for a month and then just keep replying to your own thread.

Good work though

[JAZZCNC]

I am doing it again, but it won't be a bunch , this three and thats it for awhile .
I prefer all the posts under the title logic trace like the other titles there , they are not continued
I go straight to a title when i am looking for info , you are saying I am cluttering up the front page.
i prefer this method and i will keep the nunbers down.
sorry if it upsets you

Ok, Little bit of a selfish attitude if ask me and won't make many friends doing it this way but if that's your preferred way then carry on.!!

[Stan Kern]

I think i do understand ,but I am following the titles like autocad, vetric, fusion, artcam thats where I am listed and I prefer a separate heading.
they probably don't post more than once in awhile so it does not upset people as there post does not get into the trending list often , mine will be the same.
i just posted 3 and i will not post again until i have 3 new ones

[Neale]

'Sfunny how people use this forum differently. I keep seeing these mentions of the "trending" list, and I kept looking at the buttons along the top and couldn't see "trending" anywhere. I've been a member for nearly 6 years and it's only just now that I realise that there is a column on the right labeled "trending"... I always hit "new posts", skim through anything that looks interesting, This means that you don't just see the latest post, but also, often, the few before that. Useful because I don't feel the need to answer something that someone else has already answered a post or three earlier. Then there's "mark forums read" when I've finished with the things that look interesting.

Ho hum - out of step with the rest of the world again! But at least I now understand why people have been talking about things being pushed off the list. It's because I've never even looked at that list! Sorry for the hijack - but at least I'm slightly less confused now.

[routerdriver]

I don't think I'm the only one getting a bit fed up with reading about variations on a theme of using a calibrated drawing board to digitise an outline.We know it can be done and we know somebody who thinks its great-he keeps telling us its great too.

How about keeping it on one thread we can ignore?Or discussing something else?

[Stan Kern]

I am sorry you all feel this way, you just don't need to read my posts, i am the same as vetric, autocad, artcam etc.
When they post you will see it on the trending list and if they post often you will see it often
The more you pick at this the more it shows up on the current list and thats what you hate
I am surprised at the things you are saying , i like this site , lots of good info and lots under one theme.

[routerdriver]

This will be my final post to this thread,or indeed on the topic of digitising flat patterns.I haven't seen a fusilade of posts from vectric,autocad,or artcam on this forum hyping their products.I also don't find digitising boards a very interesting topic and would like to ignore posts about them.Therefore having the topic confined to a single thread would be a good start.End of topic for me.

[JAZZCNC]

The more you pick at this the more it shows up on the current list and thats what you hate


No, Stan, we don't hate it, some of us really like what your posting, me included. we don't mind seeing it on the trending list all the time if it's an active topic. What we don't like is seeing Multiple threads on the same topic knocking other posts off the list. Some of whom may never get seen because people don't go into those areas so become out of sight out of mind.
Also, those who are in need of assistance often don't get the help they need because people like me who do help haven't got time to trawl the forum seeking out those who need help. The trending list gives them a fighting chance of being seen because it's where we can look quickly.

[Neale]

Let me try to make a positive suggestion. We do see, not very often but sometimes, posts on the forum which in effect say, "Look at this and see how clever I am!" Great - I can skip over those as fast as the next man because I haven't learnt anything except that a clever person can do clever things. Now, there are some really interesting threads on the forum which show exactly how, step by step so that others can learn and follow in their footsteps, someone has achieved something. That's something we can learn from. Knowing how to get from a pencil drawing, say, to a toolpath that can cut those shapes on a CNC router might well be of interest. Personally, I've always done it with a scanner (up to A4) or, very occasionally, with a camera, on the grounds that $2500 a pop for a digitising tablet is a bit out of my budget. Or four of them end-to-end.

I'm playing with some 3D digitising software at the moment that takes a bunch of photographs and turns them into a 3D solid model. I might even write up something here if I can get to the point of getting reasonably repeatable results with comments on stuff I learnt on the way. How about doing something like that for the 2D digitising process? Especially if it doesn't start with "write a cheque for $2500!" I jest - but there must be something interesting going on in the process before you get the pretty output!

[Stan Kern]

not sure what you mean " but there must be something interesting going on in the process before you get the pretty output!" I print my project or have a print shop print it for me , then i trace it (digitize it) and load the file into vetric aspire 10.0 check the vectors and do some node editing if required and create a toolpath for cnc or no toolpath for the co2 laser and cut it
i also work with 3D i have a good printer 600mmx600mm and a 3D hand scanner , love all this tech stuff
but i use the drawing boards all the time , at least to start with
And I hope i don't come across blowing my horn , believe me i am not i am just posting some projects i do showing how easy it is
but this is not for everyone as its costly like the cnc and the co2 laser .
woodworking has gone high tech and costly

[Neale]

Now I really am confused! You have an electronic drawing in some format, you pay someone to print it full-size, then you manually digitise it with a high-quality (i.e. expensive) digitising board, then you import that into Aspire. I must have missed something here.

Quite coincidentally, earlier today my wife asked me if I could produce an outline drawing of some paper templates she was using but scaled up by a factor of 2. As it happened the largest fitted on to A4 so I scanned it to a bitmap which is possibly equivalent to your own starting point. Then I imported the bitmap straight into Vectric Vcarve (which I believe to be a cut-down version of Aspire so I would guess that Aspire can do anything Vcarve can do). It took at least 30 seconds to convert the bitmap to a vector outline although one of the pieces took a couple of minutes longer to node-edit the outline as the scan wasn't quite so clean. I now have a vector drawing which I am about to export into something that will let me print it at the size I want (as Vcarve isn't very clever when it comes to printing designs to a given size) as my wife wants to cut out larger paper patterns. However, I could equally well have generated a toolpath to take to the router to cut, say, plywood templates (and I have done this quite often in the past - my wife comes up with these little projects for me!).

But the idea of printing, manually digitising, and then going back to the Vectric software? That's why I thought that there must be something special about the digitising process. I'm certainly not blowing my own horn either - it's so simple and obvious that I just assumed that everyone did it that way and that I had missed something.

Doesn't take anything away from your finished products which look great. It's just that I can't understand why there is the manual stage in the middle!

[Stan Kern]

well all this hurt, its your site and you all have bullied me into quitting.
i will not be blowing my horn and showing off anymore and posting one subject
I thought members would enjoy seeing different techniques and get ideas of there own from what i attempt
but a few run this site , if i knew how to delete my posts I would
I am done, you won

[Neale]

Sorry if I've caused offence, Stan. The point I was trying to make was that you are clearly doing things differently to the way that, for example, I do it. You've clearly spent time, effort and money developing the way you work but it's not clear from what you have said how you use it and what the advantages are. I've never played with a digitising tablet and all I know is what I read in the link posted earlier - which rather assumed that you knew what you were looking at already! For example, I've never used any software digitising/tracing software that is both easy to use and reliable - is doing it manually an improvement? How do you overcome distortion in the paper prints that you are tracing from? There's a bunch of interesting questions in there and showing just the output doesn't answer them! As an example of what I mean, I'm guessing that you see the regular emails from Vectric showing off a number of projects carried out using their software. However, if you follow up any of them, you usually get to a description of how the guy did what he did which is useful information that might be applied to other projects as well.

[JAZZCNC]

Stan, I don't think any of us have bullied you, Neale, is only questioning the process and why you do it how you do. Which I must admit I tend to agree with him in that it does seem a very expensive way to do something which can be done easier.

As for those of us, including me, who objected to your Multiple threads only do so because of the fact we understand how the forum is used by other users and how much the trending list is used as the first point of call for people viewing or those seeking help. Your posts were clogging the list up and possibly denying others seeking help from getting it when needed.
Only today I've helped people who needed advice ASAP who if you had posted 8 or 10 threads like you was doing would have got knocked off the list and possibly missed out getting the help needed.
This isn't bullying it's respectfully asking you to help others by changing how you post your information. Is it a form of running the forum, well yes I guess you could call it that, but we ask for the sake of others so they get help when needed. This is certainly not bullying IMO.

I'm sure many liked your posts, me included and I would really like it if you stayed, but not if you are unwilling to help others by simply changing how you post. Because as an English man, this is just not Cricket Old Sport.

Take care if not.!

[magicniner]

well all this hurt, its your site and you all have bullied me into quitting.


No one bullied anyone, you ignored the quite reasonable suggestions to keep it to one thread and continually Spammed the forum with multiple posts about exactly the same thing with only slight variation.
I read one of your posts with interest but when you added a further 10 about the same thing I had to go rooting around in the individual subject sections to find the other interesting things and genuine requests for help which your completely unnecessary and frankly incredibly selfish behaviour had knocked off the list of recent posts.

[Lee Roberts]

Hi,

Thought it was a good point for me to step in and do some moderating, below is how Stan's arrival to the forum unfolded for me and what I've done next to help keep the forum a great place for all.

I can confirm Stan is telling the truth about first arriving at the forum and trying to register as his personal self, the anti spam system's I've got in place stopped him at the front door and rejected his email address, with that Stan then got in touch with a friend and acquired an alternative email address he could use for registration and sign up to the forum.

He then went on to post a new member introduction here: Hi from Stan in Ontario Canada (http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/13342-Hi-from-Stan-in-Ontario-Canada) and jumped in with starting a few threads about what he gets up to showcasing his work with the logic trace software and products.

Whilst doing this Stan had also emailed me requesting support regarding his failed sign up and asked if I could make things right for him and how he originally intended, this info was available at the time in his new member introduction (http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/13342-Hi-from-Stan-in-Ontario-Canada) and the discussion went on a little after a welcome and hello from some of you but ended quite quickly with Stan being all fixed up and ready to get stuck in to the forum some more.

One of the things Stan asked me to do was add a Login Trace sub forum in the cad/cam section, with the idea being he wanted to make multiple submissions all focused around the same software and thought it best to have them all in the same relevant place. I agreed and moved his threads over to that section for him.

Discussions took place over 3 different threads and talked about how you felt about Stan's submissions and advice was given and received on suggested etiquette.

Stan then contacted me again to ask if his post's are ok with me, I didn't get time to reply and in the mean time the discussions above continued to move on.

.

My thoughts for completeness

Having looked at everything that has been said in those discussions I'm quite happy that things have been balanced, though I did note that some assumptions have been made and we all know what can happen sometimes when people start assuming things...

I also don't feel it's fair that an individual member should be held accountable for the way in which another member use's the forum and its features, I fully appreciate the frustrations mentioned as arising from Stan's actions but I don't feel its acceptable for any of us to ask him not to continue in the way he was just because we prefer it that way.

Lets not forget that the Trending Now list is nothing more than a simplified, unfiltered Latest Posts list. When I added this to the home page it was with the intention of it being a "quick view / at a glance" type of widget and not a direct replacement for the built in forum search system, the All Activity (http://www.mycncuk.com/activity.php), New Posts (http://www.mycncuk.com/search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Post) or the Unanswered Threads (http://www.mycncuk.com/search.php?do=process&type[]=1&contenttype=vBForum_Post&replyless=1&searchdate=0&replylimit=0&exclude=&nocache=) quick links.

If you really want to customise your experience don't forget the Advanced Search (http://www.mycncuk.com/search.php) page, you can use it to drill down and find the content your most interested in, you could even bookmark the results page so that search criteria becomes your "go to" on first visiting the forum.

Like I say, I use the trending now list in pretty much the same way as described by some of you, I live in the moderator control panel most of the day but I do visit the home page for a quick glance 2-3 times a day. However I'm also very aware that discussions move quite quickly some day's so its quite easy for that list to be come redundant if I want a full list of all threads that have new posts I haven't read yet.

The point i'm trying make is that asking him to stop just because that's the way you would prefer it, isn't really cricket, especially when we've got more than enough choice and/or options available to us if we truly prefer a customised viewing of whats new on the forum.

We are a big group of people all living under one roof, remembering to accommodate each other is what makes it work well.

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What I've done to help

Stan:
I have merged all of your logic trace related threads into one thread and given that thread a new title here: Stan Kern's creations and work examples using the Logic Trace software (http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/13375-Stan-Kern-s-creations-and-work-examples-using-the-Logic-Trace-software)

I would ask that you please keep all of your post's of a similar nature in that one thread, please feel free to use it like an on going log or journal of your work, when you post something new to that thread it will still show up to everyone else.

Everyone else:
I've moved relevant post's to this thread your reading now, I've also renamed this thread to: Stan Kern and his recent activity on the forum as a new member! (http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/13366-Stan-Kern-and-his-recent-activity-on-the-forum-as-a-new-member%21)

and moved it to the General section, the post order has changed, there was a few posts made in Stan's new member intro and I've moved them here as well, as such M_C now owns this thread and its open again if you would like to continue discussing...

Thanks for your patience and consideration.

[magicniner]

I wouldn't worry about it too much, this is only his latest forum for his output, he's been posting all the exact same things using one or more other names on other sites including CNC Zone.

[Lee Roberts]

Stan's had a change of heart...

I just noticed he's gone to the thread I made for him and deleted all the content from each post: http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/13375-Stan-Kern-s-creations-and-work-examples-using-the-Logic-Trace-software

Sometimes I hate having to be "correct" when I'd really like to say something else...

Thanks for wasting everyone's time Stan, you could have at least shown me the respect I showed you and replied to my email.

[AndyUK]

Sometimes you can't please everyone no matter how hard you try.

Thanks for your efforts Lee, I'm certain they are always appreciated by the 'regulars'.

[routerdriver]

I may have contributed to his departure,but have no regrets about honestly expressing my lack of interest in his gadget.One thread would have been sufficient and if you check his dedicated sub forum at CNCzone,which I did after seeing the same thread here and there,you will see almost no replies to any of the posts that spread over six pages.It is a minority interest topic and I don't know if he was posting so much to convince his wife that the considerable sum he must have spent was justified or if he is involved in selling the hardware.

There are other ways of digitising 2D objects and there is software to take the drudgery out of a lot of it.I will say that if somebody wants to start a thread about building your own 3D digitiser I will be very interested indeed.Moving a digitising puck and clicking when the cross hairs align with a feature isn't exactly cutting edge stuff these days and once entered into a CAD system it becomes the stuff we all use with machines.

Thanks go out to Lee for filling out the picture and for maintaining his patience during the saga.

[Neale]

Never going to get an answer to the question about why one takes a design in electronic form, prints it, and manually digitises it in order to get to an electronic design. Still mildly baffled! Strikes me as being a bit like putting a pen in the router spindle, using it to draw the profile required, and then cutting it with a fret saw.

[m_c]

Never going to get an answer to the question about why one takes a design in electronic form, prints it, and manually digitises it in order to get to an electronic design. Still mildly baffled! Strikes me as being a bit like putting a pen in the router spindle, using it to draw the profile required, and then cutting it with a fret saw.

Funnily enough, I thought the same when I watched one of his videos.
I can see a rather limited market for digitising old drawings, but I'd rather spend the money on a Wacom Cintiq tablet and have plenty change, rather than a large format basic tablet.

[JAZZCNC]

If anybody wants to scan something using a camera on the machine with Mach3 then give this a try. It's old and unsupported but I've used it before to good effect.

https://www.sheetcam.com/Scanything/index