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ademenev
13-02-2021, 05:26 AM
I am planning to build a router for wood, with occasional machining of some aluminium parts. I have plenty of time before I will be able to actually start building the machine, so I though it would be a good idea to start a thread to gather opinions and advise from more experienced CNC builders.

The build is going to be based around the parts I already have at hand:


2x 1400mm linear rails
2x 800mm linear rails
2x 350mm linear rails
1x 1400mm ball screw
2x 800mm ball screws
1x 350mm ball screw
2.2 kW water cooled spindle
4x NEMA23 steppers


All screws are 1605, the rails are 20 mm rectangular, 2 slider blocks per rail. X is going to be the longest axis. One reason is that I want 2 ball screws on Y axis, and the other is that this configuration better fits my planned workshop layout.

Materials:


all steel
80x4 square tubes for frame and gantry, smaller tubes for base (possibly filled with concrete or sand )
4 - 5mm thick steel for plates, gussets, brackets and similar parts


Goals and requirement:


simple power tools. Angle grinder, MIG welding machine, hand drill, possibly a very basic drill press. No machined parts
aiming for 0.1 mm precision across whole working area
fast axis movement would be nice, but precision is much higher priority
the design should include 4th (rotary) axis, although I will be building it only after the 3 axis machine is complete


Given the precision goal, I need to provide means for aligning the rails. I am thinking about using set screws as shown in the pictures below

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After the alignment is done, I can pour epoxy to permanently fix the rails (oh, how do I prevent leaks through holes in the tube?!). This will allow me to precisely align the rails in up-down direction, but I will have to tolerate any inconsistencies the rails may have in left-right direction. Also, X axis will need both rails mounted on the same plane (front of gantry) instead of mounting one in the front and one at the top. That is probably OK.

I have also seen people pouring resin into interconnected channels built around rails supports, and then mounting the rails on top of resulting surface. Intuitively, set screws allow for more precise alignment, but maybe I am wrong.

For me, the alignment approach is the fundamental decision I have to make before I start designing the machine, so that's it for now. Comments and advise are highly appreciated

Andrewg
15-02-2021, 10:18 AM
I'm no expert, but seems like you have grasped the basics of the challenge and are grappling with the details.

Two minor points:
- Wood machines need speed, and so more normally use 1610 ballscrews. You can do the maths, but might want to gear up between stepper and ballscrew.
- As linear rails carry two spaced carriages wider than your ballscrew, typically ballscrews can be shorter than their rails.

A major contributor here always stresses ' buy nothing till you have finalized your design' but guess you have those parts already.

As to rail leveling, you are quite correct to focus on this as a key step to building an accurate machine. You will find plenty on this forum about epoxy leveling. If done right, it addresses both leveling the surface for the rails and getting them coplanar. Your adjustable screw approach is an alternative for leveling each rail, but seems a lot of work verses simply shimming the rail.

Good luck with your planning

ademenev
15-02-2021, 12:58 PM
Andrewg, thanks for your input!

I got a good deal on the rails and ballscrews set. That's what I've got, and I have to work with that.

I was planning on connecting the motors directly to ballscrews, but I will take your advise and order some pulleys and belts. If I later decide that I need more speed, I can change pulleys and possibly upgrade the motors.

indulisap
25-02-2021, 10:15 AM
Good afternoon . A year ago I finished building my second cnc. Maybe something can come in handy
Indulis 2959829599296002960129602

indulisap
03-03-2021, 04:24 PM
If there is any interest in this design, I will be happy to share information or drawings .
I have only a little trouble with the English language .
At school we were learn only Russian.

Indulis

AndyGuid
04-03-2021, 04:18 AM
Looks like quite a rigid machine that you built there Indulis.

How much have you used that 4th Axis and using what software?

indulisap
04-03-2021, 08:28 AM
4 Asis - DESC PROTO, 3asis - Aspire 296682966929670

indulisap
04-03-2021, 09:05 AM
https://youtu.be/lzMcWI5ZBPk

routerdriver
04-03-2021, 09:57 AM
4 Asis - DESC PROTO, 3asis - Aspire 296682966929670

Very nice work.You have a machine to be proud of.

indulisap
04-03-2021, 11:50 AM
29671I scrape the shavings to see the inside of the frame.
I don't get chips on the floor under the workbench. Many constructions forget about it

indulisap
04-03-2021, 01:08 PM
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the sides of the frame are welded symmetrically in a plane to reduce post-deformation. bolted together with hardened screws