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Real world experience. Tonight I burnt out a stepper (my fault, overdriven on current setting). In doing so it took out the 2DM860H.
Not only on a Sunday, but a Sunday in the middle of a global pandemic.
Got a couple of spare steppers (higher rated) and I can slave the A-Axis controller, but PITA all the same.
The conspiracy theorists and trumps of this world would say the Chinese did that on purpose..:toot: . . . . Me you just been bloody unlucky mate because it takes a lot to burn out stepper in my experience.:encouragement:Quote:
Originally Posted by Doddy
Unlucky?, no, just stupid. I've slaved (via changeover relay) two machines off one set of drivers (with an switching interlock to protect the drivers from disconnection) to save on space and cost. But in doing so I'm driving 40 year old 2.1A steppers at rather higher than they're designed for, so, in honesty, it was waiting to happen. Interestingly the B coil shorted and destroyed the driver - to the point that, from what I can tell, the whole logic is fried - I could understand the power output being destroyed, but to have no LED fault indication was a surprise. But, live and learn - my replacement steppers are rated higher (I'd already replaced the X-axis for more torque) - so all is good. It's just a buggeration to strip the controller down to replace the driver - might wait for a replacement rather than physically moving the A-Axis (depends if I can remember if I tapped the plate that they are mounted to - easy to swap, versus bolted-through in which case have to strip the mount plate out.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAZZCNC
Hey everyone!
Doddy, I feel your frustration!
Have been thinking about buying spare parts for my router so that if something like this happens I have parts availible "on the shelf".
That beeing said my drivers are still working great.
I usually run my machine 30-50hours per week depending on how many orders I have.
Have noticed resonance on some occasions when I have been running 10-12hours straight and push the feedrates up to get finished.
But that just tells me that my normal speed is optimal 😁
Aha, there's an onboard fuse that's blown... that's the first test (and those two replacement drivers I've ordered.... may eventually come in useful)
EDIT: Premature - that just blows fuses now, guess an output driver is shorted and is now just a fast-fuse-blower.
So where's the photograph with the lid off? Is the failed device replaceable with a soldering iron?
Photo?, okay...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitwn
General board
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Replaced (failed) wire-ended fuse with 20x5 fuse clips and placed a F10A fuse in to test, no motor. Blew fuse
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Difficult image to take, but shows at leasts 7 devices soldered to board and bonded to heatsink. At this stage, with two drivers on order, one for delivery tomorrow, my interest waned.
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OK, take the point. But CMOS power transistors are a few pence each and it would be a shame to trash the whole unit if they're accessible for easy soldering.
You're right, and maybe a bit of a tear down could be useful for the wider audience.
Okay, so a bit of a tear-down of the 2DM860H.
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Highlighted - 3 black screws that hold the board to the heatsink. 2 silver screws set into plastic top-hat isolators that secure the power electronics firmly to the heatsink.
Bottom left - 2 pin connector that is the AC/DC power input. This feeds through the fuse (normally a wire-ended... but what's there now is a bit of a hack attempt to repair. The big black circular thing is a NTC power thermistor designed to limit inrush current (it starts at high resistance but quickly drops as it warms up - likely used to allow the processor to start up and settle the power system before damaging anything.
Top left - I expect a small SMPS for the logic (untested). Left centre (left edge of board) - you can just see 4 pins for the power rectifier on the rear of the board Smoothing caps along the top and to the right of the board - all the logic. Thar be dragons.
Next pic, underside of the board, and a load of power devices...
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The big thing at the top is the bridge rectifier. Four pins, which you can't see because of the thermal washer on it, but these are '-', '~', '~', '+", from left to right as orientated in the image.
The 8 TO220 packages are IRF640N N-Channel MOSFETs.
Parallel, and to the right of the top four of these are the stepper driver connections, labelled (top to bottom) "B-", "B+", "A-", "A+". If you look at the 8 MOSFETS, there's 4 pairs, vertically aligned. The left-most is driving the "B-" stepper; to the right of this drives the "B+" phase, then the "A-" and the "A+"
Each pair of MOSFETs are half-bridge configuration, and two pairs makes a standard H-Bridge for each stepper winding. The four pairs driving the 2 windings on a standard 4-wire stepper.
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And a rough-order board layout...
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Now, if, like me, you've blown one of the controllers up, chances are the problems are with these two H-Bridges, and the easiest method of diagnosing the problem is just measuring for shorts from pins to ground. Clearly, the bottom four MOSFETs will each have their Source terminals connected to ground (and the top fop have their Drains connected to V+)
I quickly tabulated a few measurements.
Looking at that, I reckon MOSFETs M1 and M6 are blown. M2 is suspect, but I think the low resistance source-to-ground is via the internal short on M6 (M2 source, connected to M6 drain, which is near-short-to-ground).Code:Rg-d Rg-s Rg-0 Rd-0 Rs-0
---- ---- ---- ---- ----
M1: 1R 1R 4k 600k 2.6M
M2: 20k 20k 20k 600k 17R
M3: 2.6M 20k 3M 600k 6M
M4: 2.6M 20k 3M 600k 5M
M5: 20k 20k 20k 500k 0R
M6: 20k 2R 1R 18R 0R
M7: 2.6M 20k 20k 3.2M 0R
M8: 2.6M 20k 20k 3.2M 0R
The MOSFETs are through-hole devices, although I has a solder rework station I'll just crop each leg off the device, apply tension with some tweezers and heat each pin one at a time with a soldering iron to remove each pin. Solder-wick each side of the board clean, then remount and solder in from the reverse side of the board.
I do have one IRF620, but the Rds for this is too high and Id too low (5A); and a bunch of IRF3205's but the Vds for these is too low (50V). So, I'll order a pack of IRF640Ns, and replace at least M1 and M6. And report back on the robustness, or lack therein of the 2DM860H.