Brummie, New Member Needs a Hand

Hi Guys,
I am hoping that one or a few members may come from the Newport, Cardiff or Swansea area of south wales UK.

I have recently purchased a CNCEST 6090 3D CNC router. because i seen one previously and thought it awesome. However without thinking I have not got a clue how to do anything with it.

I have some spindle seting Instructions but they well as be written in "Martian" I am a "monkey see monkey do"

It would be great if someone could come and help me but i am pragmatic I will travel to learn.


Thanks in advance

Brummie

Hi Martin, confused here are you in b/ ham or South Wales. When you say you have some spindle setting instructions, is the machine in bits, or are you asking on how to use the machine. Michael

[QUOTE=terry1956;109700]Hi Martin, confused .

Brummie is a nickname i inhereted from the Army.

I live in Blackwood Gwent, I purchased the 3D CNC Router,. I have Built it, but have not got a clue about anything.

As there are no instructions at all hence i will not try anything I have searched online but results only come back with 6040's.

Hi, the basics of cnc routers are the same, be it a 6040 or a far larger machine. You will of course no that you will need some sort of design cad software like fusion 360, which can also write the g code needed to send to the router control software like mach3. If you have build the machine, I take it you have mach3 already and have been able to move the spindle etc. Is that correct. I live in Yeovil, so some distance from you, but if you feel like a drive, I would be happy to help you out. Someone took time out to show me the ropes, so happy to do the same.

[QUOTE=terry1956;109710]Hi, the basics of cnc routers are the same,

Hi Terry appologies forthelate reply, Yes the programmes I do have is Mach3, I have Vectric Carve, and PhotoVCarve , The actual Machine I have is a 6090 CNCEST, 1500KW VFD,

As I said before I have built the machine, I obtained some spindle settings. I have tried to apply them and give up, On Mach3 I think I have tried to run one of the sample programmes but nothing happend what so ever, I have no CNC Knowledge only what I have seen on Youtube so in March this year i give up in frustration.

Brummie.

hi, ok, when you say nothing happens, can you move the spindle on the x,y,z axis using the jog movement. or are your ports and pins settings wrong, are you trying to use a 64bit pc, mach 3 will not work at all if you are.

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Originally Posted by terry1956

Hi, the basics of cnc routers are the same,

Hi Terry appologies forthelate reply, Yes the programmes I do have is Mach3, I have Vectric Carve, and PhotoVCarve , The actual Machine I have is a 6090 CNCEST, 1500KW VFD,

As I said before I have built the machine, I obtained some spindle settings. I have tried to apply them and give up, On Mach3 I think I have tried to run one of the sample programmes but nothing happend what so ever, I have no CNC Knowledge only what I have seen on Youtube so in March this year i give up in frustration.

Brummie.

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Heya Brummie, welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately you're being very vague about the problem. If you post more information we may be able to help. Try and answer the following:

• Pictures/Videos of the machine and the problem. Try to walk us through the process you're going through to get the machine to work, and the process you're going through to apply these settings.
• Basic machine information. Does it power up, does it move, how is it connected to the PC, wiring photos or better yet diagrams. At what stage does a problem occur?
• What are these settings you're trying to apply? Are they settings for the VFD itself, are they for the Mach3 software, or are they on VCarve?

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Originally Posted by Brummie

Heya Brummie, welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately you're being very vague about the problem. If you post more information we may be able to help. Try and answer the following:

• Pictures/Videos of the machine and the problem. Try to walk us through the process you're going through to get the machine to work, and the process you're going through to apply these settings.
• Basic machine information. Does it power up, does it move, how is it connected to the PC, wiring photos or better yet diagrams. At what stage does a problem occur?
• What are these settings you're trying to apply? Are they settings for the VFD itself, are they for the Mach3 software, or are they on VCarve?

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Hi Thanks for your help guys, Im not being vague at all, all I have noted on here is the sum total of what I know. I have turned the machine on 2 times since i bought it last year. nothing at all happens, so I turned it off and covered it up. I know absolutley zilch, Hence asking if anyone lives in south wales so I can watch what they do. I have no instructions at all no wireing diagrammes, I bought a V carve programme and bought Mach3 programme and a stand alone PC. .

ok, check list.
check your pc is not using windows 64 bit, as this turns off the printer port and nothing will work. you will need to reformat c drive and install windows running 32 bit, or xp program.
if however you are not running windows 64 bit. then it looks like your ports and pins are not set up. to sort this we will need to know the name of the break out board you are using. at this stage we can’t go any further.

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Hi Thanks for your help guys, Im not being vague at all, all I have noted on here is the sum total of what I know. I have turned the machine on 2 times since i bought it last year. nothing at all happens, so I turned it off and covered it up. I know absolutley zilch, Hence asking if anyone lives in south wales so I can watch what they do. I have no instructions at all no wireing diagrammes, I bought a V carve programme and bought Mach3 programme and a stand alone PC. .

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Brummie. First welcome to the forum. If you want help you need to supply the information that people ask for but you are not doing this so it make it difficult to help. Nobody has a crystal ball that works.

Try and answer the questions you have been asked. It will all come together in time and we all have to learn.

[QUOTE=Clive S;109735]Brummie. First welcome to the forum. If you want help you need to supply the information that people ask for but you are not doing this so it make it difficult to help. Nobody has a crystal ball that works.

All I asked was If anyone Lives in the south wales Area of either Newport, Cardiff or Swansea.? and would they mind coming around to SHOW mewhat to do. I do not know what scemetic means? UnlessI am physically shown ill never get it. sorry to waste your time.

I have similar issues.Is there a user group on the Wirral at all?

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Originally Posted by KAB

I have similar issues.Is there a user group on the Wirral at all?

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Hi Mucca, I am being asked questions I just know the answer too. I covered mine up and maybe have look at it again next year, I have give up now.


Brummie

Thanks for the detailed answer. I have a 32bit PC with windows XP. I know how to switch on the spindle controler and there is a "Thud" from the table then nothing happens. so i turn it off get angry and throw spanners and screwdrivers about. I am useless at following instructions. I NEED to see some one operate one. further info it is a CNCEST 6090. with no istructions for build and what i have found out i have to set the spindle some how? Hopefully someone from south wales see this post.

what does your machine look like ?

if its like this
Attachment 26114

It could be close enough to some of the 6040 machines
some members have for them to help

Next question is how is it connected to the PC ?
via a PC parallel printer port or a USB port ?

because different manufacturers use different electronics
photos of the inside will help identify what you have

some use an all in one 3 axis driver and breakout board plus a
single driver for the A axis /4th axis

others use four seperate stepper drivers and a breakout board

the advantage is if you damage a X,Y or Z axis driver you don't have to replace the all in one board
the down side you have a little more wiring


newer machines have a built in USB motion controller
that needs the correct "plug in " (software patch) for Mach 3 to work
this replaces mach 3's pulse engine that has low level control of a PC's printer port when your using 32bit windows XP to vista if I remember correctly

Mach 3/4 can not work with 64 bit windows
or any version of windows 10

John

Attachment 26139

Sorry it took ages to upload the pics.

OK
from the picture of the rear of the control box I see it has a USB interface to the PC

unless you have installed the correct "plug in " supplied on a CD that came with the machine
mach 3 will not to be able to control the machine

a picture of the board with the USB connector may help if a member recognises it

John

Hi Mucca
There was nothing no Instructions no CD anything. I have tried to contact them, but they only sent a Link to ebay?

Hi Brummie,

I have found a software download for a 4 axis USB Chinese machine. With a ton of luck it could work, but you will probably need a computer whizz-kid to set it up. Anyway, it is the best I can offer for now.

https://www.chinacnczone.com/en/mach..._l282_p15.html

Hopefully - and it is big hope - the Chinese machines with USB use the same controller.

The fact that your machine thuds when you switch it on means the motors are connected and the drivers enabled, so that is a good sign.

Best of luck,

Rob-T

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I have similar issues.Is there a user group on the Wirral at all?

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Hi KAB I am in Chester I could help you and Brummie - Maybe both of you can bring your machines and PC's around to my place and we can look at sorting them out. if all else fails I can show you Mach3 and how it works with my home made Plasma Table

Just send me a PM if interested

Mark

Thanks buddy appreciated, I have took it all apart now and packed it away. I afraid i will damage it with a hammer if i lose it again. I suppose its a case i have the gear and no technalogical Idea.

Brummie let me explain how CNC machine works regard talking to the Control software (mach3) and things will become more clear.

When you first install Mach3 on your PC it's Dumb as Rock, it knows nothing about the machine. It as no idea it's even connected to the control box.
So you need to Tell Mach3 everything it needs to know so it can talk to the controller/machine.
Now by default Mach3 use's the Parallel port built into the PC to talk the control box and when you installed Mach3 it put a special driver on your PC so it can talk to the Control box if using Parallel port
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However, your machine doesn't use the Parallel port it uses a external USB Card which is built into the control box. So in order to allow Mach3 to talk to it then it needs a special piece of software which mach3 calls Plug-in. Without it Mach3 remains Dumb as a rock and nothing will work.

To get the machine talking to Mach3 correctly is a multi stage process.
#1 Provide with Plug-in so can communicate with control box.
#2 Tell Mach3 which OUTPUT pins control the Motors
#3 Tell Mach3 which INPUT pins to watch for signals like Emergency stop, Limit swithces Etc
#4 Tell Mach3 Which OUTPUT pins to use to control external things like turning Vacuum, cooling etc on
#5 Tell Mach3 which Pins control the Spindle Motor ON/OFF, Speed, etc
#6 Tell Mach3 the Number of Pulses required to travel one revolution and set velocity/acceleration.

So hopefull you can see it's not just install Mach3 and away you go. The simple truth is NO-ONE can help you or show you how to use the machine unless Mach3 as these things in place. The only people who can help are those with same USB Controller and provide you with the Plug-in and settings.
When you have these and mach3 talks to controller any one of us can talk you thru cutting a part in 5mins.

If you can not get the Plug-in then your only option is to replace the USB control card with a different one that does provide Plug-in. (No you cannot use Plug-in from different Card)
That doesn't mean you have to replace the Whole Control box, just the USB card that talks to PC/Mach3. The other settings like Pin numbers can be worked from looking inside the control box. Obviously you will need help either by someone doing it for you or by us helping via you sending pictures and answering questions being asked.
All I can say is don't give up, some one will have the Plug-in or if go the replace route WE can talk you thru this and like WE have done many many times for others.

Hi bud I’m just up the road in Treharris, do you still have the 6090 ??

Oh wow,
thank you, I still have my 6090 also a 6040 now, I have been waiting until lockdown finished before I asked for help again. I have also purchased a fully licenced Mach 3 Program just in case the copy that come with the machine, that was a copy with some Russian guy as the licensee. I have no Instructions with either machine, I have watched YouTube and bought books. I need to see it done really. If you can help that would be awesome.

Brummie

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Hi bud I’m just up the road in Treharris, do you still have the 6090 ??

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Hi yes I still have the 6090 and also a 6040, If you can help that would be awesome.

Thanks

Brummie