Build Log - Herbert

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This is my planned layout for the panel of my CNC control.

This is a proposed wiring layout which I would like comments from people please?


Many thanks for taking the time to look.

ATB,
Ian

Perhaps it is too late now, but here are some things I'd do differently...

I would move that VFD out of the cabinet. You will likely experience some problems with the UC300 in the middle and so near the VFD. The other alternative to moving out the VFD is to move out the UC300 into it's own shielded box.

The other modification I'd do is to install the PSUs in an orientation which would allow the fans to cool and would allow easier wiring. As it is now, you can't stick a screw driver inside the cabinet to attach/detach wires, you have to remove each PSU, screw in all the wires and install the PSU in the cabinet again. That is going to create some practical problems and may result in a not so nice wiring in the end.

A question... are you planning to feed the UC300 with an external +5V? I think that's better than using the PC USB power. Make sure your +5V is very clean otherwise you may experience problems with the UC300. The other thing is that if you want to control the VFD spindle speed with 0-10V you can do that from the UC300 directly, but if you will use Mach3, or some other software with Modbus capabilities than a neater solution is to use the RS485. Considerably better than digital outputs and 0-10V, also demands less and easier wiring.

[nairepooc]

Perhaps it is too late now, but here are some things I'd do differently...

I would move that VFD out of the cabinet. You will likely experience some problems with the UC300 in the middle and so near the VFD. The other alternative to moving out the VFD is to move out the UC300 into it's own shielded box.

The other modification I'd do is to install the PSUs in an orientation which would allow the fans to cool and would allow easier wiring. As it is now, you can't stick a screw driver inside the cabinet to attach/detach wires, you have to remove each PSU, screw in all the wires and install the PSU in the cabinet again. That is going to create some practical problems and may result in a not so nice wiring in the end.

A question... are you planning to feed the UC300 with an external +5V? I think that's better than using the PC USB power. Make sure your +5V is very clean otherwise you may experience problems with the UC300. The other thing is that if you want to control the VFD spindle speed with 0-10V you can do that from the UC300 directly, but if you will use Mach3, or some other software with Modbus capabilities than a neater solution is to use the RS485. Considerably better than digital outputs and 0-10V, also demands less and easier wiring.

Nothing is ever written in stone, the one is a porposed idea and the second which looks like its fixed was laying out the components to see what it looked like.
Things have moved on since then, I now am using din rail with 5vdc and 24vdc psu's the two 36vdc psu's are going to be mounted flat one above the other, loads of room to do that.
The VFD will be in the enclosure, with double screened cables and fed via an emi 10A filter.
The UC300 & BOB have been relocated at the bottom of the case well away from the VFD.
All screens and earths to a star earth point.
I will upload photos of all the component laters.

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Well back of the olde Jolly Holidays, and its back to working through things.
I have found out that I cannot control the VFD via Mach with the current BOB, so need to swap for the CPO-10V from CNC4YOU.
I have in my minds eye how the control cabinet layout is going to be, but just to be on the safeside I have drawn some shapes in Viso and moving them around to see what's best. (I know no CAD, but me thinks I must learn one).
The pencil drawings of the main machine do not allow me much way of checking things plus it takes ages to drawin with pencil and paper so I guess I must bite the bullet and decide on a CAD package to start to learn and work my scribbed designs through.

That will give you guys something to comment on and advise me on what I am trying to build.
TTFN

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Well back of the olde Jolly Holidays, and its back to working through things.
I have found out that I cannot control the VFD via Mach with the current BOB, so need to swap for the CPO-10V from CNC4YOU.
I have in my minds eye how the control cabinet layout is going to be, but just to be on the safeside I have drawn some shapes in Viso and moving them around to see what's best. (I know no CAD, but me thinks I must learn one).
The pencil drawings of the main machine do not allow me much way of checking things plus it takes ages to drawin with pencil and paper so I guess I must bite the bullet and decide on a CAD package to start to learn and work my scribbed designs through.

That will give you guys something to comment on and advise me on what I am trying to build.
TTFN

But the UC300 has a 0-10V output also. Why do you need the BoB for that? Use the analog output of the UC300.

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But the UC300 has a 0-10V output also. Why do you need the BoB for that? Use the analog output of the UC300.

Hi,
If you read the UC300 manual in the Safety Notes it advises the connection through and Optically Isolated Breakout Board (BOB) to motor drives and external sensors!

Thats whay I am buying the CPO-10V as recommended by CNC4YOU.
Unless anyone else can offer something?

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Hi,
If you read the UC300 manual in the Safety Notes it advises the connection through and Optically Isolated Breakout Board (BOB) to motor drives and external sensors!

Thats whay I am buying the CPO-10V as recommended by CNC4YOU.
Unless anyone else can offer something?

This is the sentence I answered: "I have found out that I cannot control the VFD via Mach with the current BOB, so need to swap for the CPO-10V from CNC4YOU."

All you need is to configure the UC300 plugin, Mach3 will handle it accordingly. If your BoB provides optical isolation on the digital inputs/outputs than you should be safe. I have never heard anyone putting optical isolators on the analog 0-10V to VFD. I think the VFD has that protection already. In fact, my VFD has optical isolators on the digital inputs/outputs also, and I think even cheap Chinese VFDs have that, so the VFD could be controlled safely even without a BoB. Stepper drivers are a totally different thing... not everyone of those has optical isolation. But... A BoB is necessary to have if you are using a UC300 because you need to split the signals to be able to install all the external devices.

BTW, I have the UC300 and been using it for quite a while now, and also read the manual...

In fact, just looked at your cabinet picture, and it looks like you have similar drivers to mine, your CW5045 are also supposed to have optical isolators on the inputs, so even those are safe to run with direct connection, but using a BoB to split the signals is more practical, even if not necessary in your (and my) case.

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This is the sentence I answered: "I have found out that I cannot control the VFD via Mach with the current BOB, so need to swap for the CPO-10V from CNC4YOU."

I didn't know that was the question you were answering

All you need is to configure the UC300 plugin, Mach3 will handle it accordingly. If your BoB provides optical isolation on the digital inputs/outputs than you should be safe. I have never heard anyone putting optical isolators on the analog 0-10V to VFD. I think the VFD has that protection already. In fact, my VFD has optical isolators on the digital inputs/outputs also, and I think even cheap Chinese VFDs have that, so the VFD could be controlled safely even without a BoB. Stepper drivers are a totally different thing... not everyone of those has optical isolation. But... A BoB is necessary to have if you are using a UC300 because you need to split the signals to be able to install all the external devices.

I am new to all this electrical stuff and can only go on what I have found both off this forum and the manuals, the BOB that I have I wanted to control the VFD as you understand, but in talking to CNC4YOU they said the BOB I had was the basic one and needed the other type.
Plugin? what does this do or where can I find one?

BTW, I have the UC300 and been using it for quite a while now, and also read the manual...

I did not mean that you didn't understand what I was talking about, I had no knowledge that you used the UC300, but I am glad that you do and manybe you can advise me in the future with connections?

In fact, just looked at your cabinet picture, and it looks like you have similar drivers to mine, your CW5045 are also supposed to have optical isolators on the inputs, so even those are safe to run with direct connection, but using a BoB to split the signals is more practical, even if not necessary in your (and my) case.

Thank you for looking at my proposed build, maybe I am using the BOB and do not need it as the CW5045 have the optical isolators, I could find any wiring or interface drawings to help me......with direct connection from the UC300.
maybe if your willing you can explain how I can setup the UC300 so I do not have to purchase the new BOB as I have not done that as yet?
Hoping you can,
Ian