Appreciate what your saying, I thought I showed good grace by saying bellow, what I did for a living and about me and what I was looking to do, instead of just starting a thread, I think I was just getting to the point in this thread, I.e I need help finding the parts and wanted experienced advice, not I have no idea and I can't be arsed :-) your right though I should have outlined how much I already knew and that I wasn't looking for the basics etc, just looking to start buying the bits and what to buy as many people do the whole do it cheap as possible and that's not what I was looking for, want to build a quality machine that will be the one and only I build, the fact I asked for help and didn't pretend I already knew everything I thought was a sign of respect :-)