Newbie looking at 6040 (China CNC) for polypropylene 15mm sheet

[JOGARA]

Magnets look to work. IDK about vibrations but never really had any.

I have a few boards left over (12) if anyone wants some.
£1 plus postage I think is fair.

[Zeeflyboy]

looking very nice.

I did a similar thing with a waterproof ring of LEDs I just bought off ebay, can't say I ever ended up using it much though.

[JOGARA]

So I attempted to make my own soft jaws. The CAD was not easy but managed in the end.
Wanted them so I could put my stock aluminum in and machine it all the way to finished product. This only required 2-3 setups.

Decided on machine half the stock off and that left me with 2 cases for my electronics, I can then shove that on the soft jaws to mill out.
Using a 6mm hole to get X and Y and eye balling Z (Z being really easy to do).
Either something is out in my measurements or the 6mm hole method just isn't accurate enough.
Obviously on this machine it is not that accurate but to be nearly 0.3-0.5mm out in X and Y it must be my error.
I am also just using a standard vise, might not help though it has been pretty solid so far. I can only guess my main issue here is going to be repeatability.

Really need a 3D probe I think to help here.


What I am going to do is go back to my old method of super gluing my stock on a bit of 5mm which then allows me to mill out everything.
I really want to be able to step this up to a production level though as I have quite a few to make, just being able to run step one 20 times and then step two 20 times would be great. No changing tools every 10-30 mins. Just swap out the part for the next operation.
That and the glue is a pain to clean up and sometimes does not stick fully resulting in the part flying.

[JOGARA]

I think vacuum fixture is the answer...

[Desertboy]

Looking good there, a fascinating thread glad to see you're obviously getting on well with your machine ;)

Sorry to hear about your sizing issue but looking at it it seems your so very close, I would start to think about how you could make the piece without having to flip it if possible.

I'd have a word with Chaz about 3d probe's he knows his stuff but I wouldn't assume that having one is the answer to all your problems.

[Zeeflyboy]

Can't see the all the way round the parts on the photos but is it wider the whole way round (ie suggesting G-code isn't setup up right with cutter size or stock to leave) or does it flip from overhang to underhang suggesting the zero has moved?

3D probe is great, but not cheap and isn't perfect - If I set mine up without dialing it in with an indicator every time then the runout can normally be expected to be around 0.03mm... can reliably dial it into around 0.005mm within a few minutes of tweaking but if you don't do that every time then you are already starting with a centre error of 0.03mm and I find the repeatability to be around 0.005-0.01mm so you're probably anything up to 0.04mm off centre.

If you spend the time to dial it in each time (which adds perhaps up to 10 minutes to each time you need to find centre or edge of something) then you could reasonably expect to be within 0.01mm or so.

It does come with constraints though - the probe body and length of the probe may preclude you from being able to probe stuff in a vice if it stands too tall... worth checking if that would be an issue with your intended probe. Some are massively long as they are really intended for mills.

They can also get unreliable over time due to oxidation of the contacts.

I do love my probe, but you can achieve a lot of what it does for much less with a short length of tool steel and an alligator clip when using conductive materials (or even just a conductive fence used for part location).

saw a very cool tip regarding super glue for holding down small parts the other day btw since you mention the faff:

lay down a strip of masking tape (I'd probably use decently wide stuff) on the bed and use a blade/whatever to squeegee it down flat. Do the same on the stock you want to fix down and leave a few cm sticking out beyond the sides so that it's easy to line up with the tape on the bed. Good idea to have some sort of fence you can line up with to ensure you're aligned to your X and Y if that's going to be critical for the amount of spare stock you have.

You then run a bead of superglue along the tape on the part, spray some activator on the tape on the bed and then press the part down firmly.

What you end up with is effectively double sided tape but with a firmer hold (carpet tape etc tends to have some elastic give in it) and the ease of removal of masking tape. Having used double sided tape in the past it can be a pig to pull up off the bed and can leave a lot of residue on the part, superglue on it's own is good but again can be a pain to clean up afterwards.

I think you are better off getting a jig sorted for this particular job, but something to try on low volume/one offs in the future. Given your semi-prodiuction like goals on this part it might be worth considering making an actual fixture plate to do several at a time rather than just soft jaws in a vice.

[JOGARA]

The Y was out about 0.5mm and the X was out about 0.2mm.
I think that is okay on the inside but on the outside obviously that is too much.

Thinking about probing off the stock instead and then I should be perfect when I flip and obviously proble off the same corner when flipped.
That should result in a perfect (excluding the machine's accuracy, which they say is "0.05mm").

I can't find any none hand made ones that would fit. Like you say they are for mills. Shame because the Haimer ones are good price and easily available here. If only there was another 3-4cm of Z travel and I could use it, though 20mm bore xD
Which one did you end up with Zeeflyboy? I remembered you linked one but it was out of stock for a long time.


I've seen a few people use tape. Sometimes using standard double sided 3M and having great results. I might go buy some tomorrow actually and try it.

[JOGARA]

Zeeflyboy, any suggestions on where to start with the TPA-2?

Not been given any docs other than this;
http://kurokesu.com/main/2015/12/30/...robe-to-mach3/

[Zeeflyboy]

I'm afraid I don't use the same motion controller as you, nor do I use Mach3 anymore... but it should be fairly straight forwards.

Hook it up to the same point that the normal probe goes to, but you just need to go to the ports and pins part to invert the signal mach is looking for as it's a normally closed circuit vs normally open. If you flip over to the diagnostics page of mach you should then be able to see the probe input trigger as you press on the probe tip.

It is definitely worth spending a couple of minutes dialing in the probe tip using a dial indicator before each use - the runout of the spindle/collets results in me getting anything up to around 0.1mm of runout all the way down at the tip which will affect any probing results. Within a couple of minutes of careful tweaking I can get that down to less than 0.01mm

As for probing on mach3 - I've never done it. I think there were some screen sets for mach3 that have probing built in, or you could write a small macro to do it (or use someone else's) but the info is out there if you have a look. Mach4 makes things quite simple with a dedicated probing section built in so I've never had to figure anything out in that regard.

[JOGARA]

I'm afraid I don't use the same motion controller as you, nor do I use Mach3 anymore... but it should be fairly straight forwards.

Hook it up to the same point that the normal probe goes to, but you just need to go to the ports and pins part to invert the signal mach is looking for as it's a normally closed circuit vs normally open. If you flip over to the diagnostics page of mach you should then be able to see the probe input trigger as you press on the probe tip.

It is definitely worth spending a couple of minutes dialing in the probe tip using a dial indicator before each use - the runout of the spindle/collets results in me getting anything up to around 0.1mm of runout all the way down at the tip which will affect any probing results. Within a couple of minutes of careful tweaking I can get that down to less than 0.01mm

As for probing on mach3 - I've never done it. I think there were some screen sets for mach3 that have probing built in, or you could write a small macro to do it (or use someone else's) but the info is out there if you have a look. Mach4 makes things quite simple with a dedicated probing section built in so I've never had to figure anything out in that regard.

Thanks for the info. The probe does look a tad off from stock. I forgot to get a dial indicator >.<

Trying out the ProbeIt plugin that creates a wizard to probe. It has tools like auto calibrate. Uses a known diameter though and I don't know if I got anything for that :/
Trying to think what I can get that is large enough but not going to break the bank...