Centroid Acorn CNC Controller

[m_c]

The two things that standout to me, are you need to add the cost of the software to do anything more than basic machining, and outputs/inputs are limited, with no obvious way to expand.

[Ger21]

Seems like the answer to a lot of prayers in the DIY CNC world.

You're praying for less features for more money?

[wallyblackburn]

You're praying for less features for more money?

That's fair - I may have overstated a bit. Also, I was thinking that this was a standalone controller similar to the DDCSV1.1, but now I see that it only works in conjunction with their software.

Still intriguing though. I really do not like depending on Windows PC for realtime functionality.

Regards,
Wallace

[Ger21]

With the exception if Mach3 running on a parallel port, just about all hobby controls rely on their motion controller for the "real time" stuff. Windows is not an issue at all. I've been using machines costing well over $100,000 with Windows based controls for nearly 20 years, and I've never seen Windows cause an issue.
I would not want a machine control that didn't run on a PC, as you lose all of the advantages that having a PC at the machine brings.

[Web Goblin]

Most of our new machines at work now run on windows based controls and I must admit that it does give a lot of options that were missing before. But on the other hand we still have a couple of old machines that run on plc's and they don't give us any problems at all with the control side of things. If something has gone wrong most of the time it has been a hardware issue.

[Bravin Neff]

You're praying for less features for more money?

Just out of curiosity, why do you say this? I am currently designing my first DIY CNC machine, and from the homework I have been doing, this seems like the ideal CNC control for those looking for the closest thing to a commercial CNC control.

[Ger21]

There is no perfect control for everyone. If there was, then there wouldn't be so many different ones available.

I just don't see the Acorn as the holy grail of cnc as so many other do.
There are other controls that offer more, for less money.
The Acorn has some advantages in some areas, and others have advantages in other areas.

If the Acorn is what you're looking for, than by all means go out and buy it.
I decided to go with UCCNC, which is a better fit for me.

My UCCNC setup (UC300ETH + UB1 breakout board) is roughly the same price as the Acorn with the $99 pro level software.
The Acorn gives you 4 motors, UCCNC gives you 6.
The Acorn has 8 outputs, the UB1 has 14.
The Acorn has 8 inputs, the UB1 has 23 + 2 analog inputs.

The Acorn does have software advantages.
UCCNC does not have rotary axis support at this time. It will eventually, but it might be a year or two.
UCCNC does not have screw mapping.
UCCNC does not have cutter comp, but it will soon, as it's been under development for a few months now.
I believe that the Acorn is much better at digitizing, but it's limited unless you buy the $499 software upgrade.

It all comes down to what you need from your control.

[Bravin Neff]

There is no perfect control for everyone. If there was, then there wouldn't be so many different ones available.

I just don't see the Acorn as the holy grail of cnc as so many other do.
There are other controls that offer more, for less money.
The Acorn has some advantages in some areas, and others have advantages in other areas.

If the Acorn is what you're looking for, than by all means go out and buy it.
I decided to go with UCCNC, which is a better fit for me.

My UCCNC setup (UC300ETH + UB1 breakout board) is roughly the same price as the Acorn with the $99 pro level software.
The Acorn gives you 4 motors, UCCNC gives you 6.
The Acorn has 8 outputs, the UB1 has 14.
The Acorn has 8 inputs, the UB1 has 23 + 2 analog inputs.

The Acorn does have software advantages.
UCCNC does not have rotary axis support at this time. It will eventually, but it might be a year or two.
UCCNC does not have screw mapping.
UCCNC does not have cutter comp, but it will soon, as it's been under development for a few months now.
I believe that the Acorn is much better at digitizing, but it's limited unless you buy the $499 software upgrade.

It all comes down to what you need from your control.

Interesting. I'm new to DIY CNC, and I'm curious to know what one would do with all those inputs and outputs on the UC300eth? Are those actually similar to the 8 outputs on the Acorn? After reading the documentation on the Acorn, they call them "PLC outputs" which seems identical to what commercial CNC has always called spare M-codes, whereby you can control external things via M-code, and the acorn ones are even programmable as latching or non-latching, under full ladder control. This is exactly what commercial CNC controls have had forever - are you saying UCCNC has this too?

I have downloaded the UCCNC software and played with it, fell in love with it and swore this was the direction I was going to go until I realized it didn't have cutter comp, fanuc macro B and some other things. Those were deal killers for me. I've grown up my entire professional life around Fanuc, Mori Seiki and Okuma, and the Centroid hardware+software was the first control system I came across where I said "ah, here it is." Then after some homework, it made sense in that they've been a commercial CNC house for a long time just now crossing over to the DIY world, whereas these other solutions I've been looking at started out in the DIY world, pushing more and more to match the commercial feature set.

By the way, I've enjoyed seeing your website for a while now.

[Ger21]

I'm new to DIY CNC, and I'm curious to know what one would do with all those inputs and outputs on the UC300eth?

Whatever you want. Inputs can be used with sensors, switches, pushbuttons, signals from servo drives, encoders, probes, MPG's,....
Outputs can activate relays, contactors, solenoids, LED's, .....

You can create your own M-Codes in UCCNC, which are written in C#. It doesn't have ladder, but you can write what they call macroloops, which are macros that run continuously in the background.

If you need full Fanuc macro B, I think your only option is Mach4 Industrial. But you can do more basic parametric programming in UCCNC and most others.
I have no use for parametric programming, doing everything I need in CAM.


You're not going to get a $10,000 control for $300. No hobby controls are perfect. UCCNC is relatively new to the market, and I expect it will be maturing for a few years still. But for me, it's headed in the direction that works best for me.

[Bravin Neff]

Whatever you want. Inputs can be used with sensors, switches, pushbuttons, signals from servo drives, encoders, probes, MPG's,....
Outputs can activate relays, contactors, solenoids, LED's, .....

You can create your own M-Codes in UCCNC, which are written in C#. It doesn't have ladder, but you can write what they call macroloops, which are macros that run continuously in the background.

If you need full Fanuc macro B, I think your only option is Mach4 Industrial. But you can do more basic parametric programming in UCCNC and most others.
I have no use for parametric programming, doing everything I need in CAM.


You're not going to get a $10,000 control for $300. No hobby controls are perfect. UCCNC is relatively new to the market, and I expect it will be maturing for a few years still. But for me, it's headed in the direction that works best for me.

I could have swore I just read on the Centroid site that the CNC12 software with the acorn (and the higher DIY boards) have macro b. Their retrofit controls do. Funny you say you're not going to get a $10K control for $300. Today's $300 control easily outspec the way more expensive controls from the 90s, in most respects. I just read on the Centroid spec sheet that it does 2,000 block look ahead. In the late 1990s I used to work on Mori Seikis where a "data server with RISC processor" was a $10,000 *option* and that gave you... wait for it... 480 block look ahead! And we thought that was that cat's meow, LOL.

What's frustrating is seeing something like UCCNC - which I'm very attracted to - has all these features, clearly way ahead in many respects of what we had in the 1990s, yet it doesn't do cutter comp, which we had in the 80's'. I haven't paid attention to the DIY CNC world until fairly recently, but what I have been studying suggests it really took off with mach2/3 about 10-15 years ago. Its very impressive in many ways, but with these frequent and frustrating blind spots.