. .
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    You need to step away from your fixation on a fastener designed for easy use in non-engineering applications, they don't make threaded Chicago Screws without driver slots because they need to be user friendly for their intended purpose, holding together books, material sample swatches etc.
    Use a length of tube with two press-in ends.
    You think that's too expensive? You're not a Model Engineer are you? :D

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to magicniner For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    indeed.

    my primary concern is movement. is there an epoxy that i can use where the tube meets the channel?

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by JEK5019 View Post
    indeed.

    my primary concern is movement. is there an epoxy that i can use where the tube meets the channel?
    To do what? You don't have the area to securely bond the tube to the channel with epoxy so why would you want to put epoxy there?
    Tube
    Holes in the channel the same size as the tube ID.
    Hammer Drive Screws
    Job done.
    You think that's too expensive? You're not a Model Engineer are you? :D

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to magicniner For This Useful Post:


  6. #4
    okay -

    so this seems like a viable solution. however, i would imagine that after pressing in the drive screws - they would probably 'slighting' bulge the inner tube - thus creating friction for the center barrel to rotate smoothly?

    is this correct?

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	channel_tube_20190411.jpg 
Views:	1105 
Size:	139.9 KB 
ID:	25648

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to JEK5019 For This Useful Post:


  8. #5
    i should also add that these pieces are quite small - that center hole is 0.4 cm. i would need a ID tube of 0.4 cm with a reasonable wall thickness to prevent bulging?

    is something that small even available?

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	channel_20190410_006.JPG 
Views:	1071 
Size:	73.4 KB 
ID:	25649

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to JEK5019 For This Useful Post:


  10. #6
    It would help if you could give us an idea of what you are trying to achieve. I respect that you may not want to disclose the end use, but some indication of the forces involved may be useful. Also is the axle to be free to rotate in the yoke or must it be definitely fixed? Are you looking to scale up to produce many units, or are you making just one or two? What material is the roller? Will it be wet (aqueous), oily or dry in end use? Do you have a unit cost limit in mind?

    If you wanted a quick bodge you could pop rivet a length of tube into the yoke.

    BTW cm is not a preferred unit in engineering, metric users prefer mm. In the US they use inches a lot (but not excusively). Some of the Model Engineers in UK use imperial measure, while some of the absolute recidivists use Furlongs, Newtons per square fortnight, Firkins and Ducats per gross. Oh! and BA screws.

  11. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to cropwell For This Useful Post:


  12. #7
    thanks cropwell.

    so i looked up the wallpaper seam roller you had mentioned - and the design i am working will work just like that, in fact! but unlike many of the designs, i came across - where the roller bracket is on one side only - my design will be built like an axle.

    attached are several of these wallpaper seam rollers that more or less fit my goal and operation.

    in my design goal - i am wanting to avoid any welding/sanding finished. i would prefer fasteners - but with no drives. very clean!

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	wpr_layout_001.jpg 
Views:	1091 
Size:	985.7 KB 
ID:	25652

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	wpr_layout_002.jpg 
Views:	1085 
Size:	274.7 KB 
ID:	25653

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to JEK5019 For This Useful Post:


  14. #8
    so the handle will be metal/wood lather operation.

    the channel/bracket and the roller - all metal. no plastics.

    the approximate pressure and use will be similar to that of the wallpapaer seam roller.

    and lastly - if i can resolve this issue in the design and move forward - the goal will several hundred units at first. if i can market it well and proves successful - then definitely a few thousand thereafter.



    also - i am living in iceland and it'll be costly to manufacture here. i am beginning to source out manufacturers throughout europe and states. i need to start some cost estimates

    do you have recommendations for any machine shops to contact?

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to JEK5019 For This Useful Post:


  16. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by JEK5019 View Post
    okay -

    so this seems like a viable solution. however, i would imagine that after pressing in the drive screws - they would probably 'slighting' bulge the inner tube - thus creating friction for the center barrel to rotate smoothly?

    is this correct?

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	channel_tube_20190411.jpg 
Views:	1105 
Size:	139.9 KB 
ID:	25648
    No, it's not.
    Drive screws have a fast outer helix with a relatively high sharp profile, they are designed specifically for blind holes where the relative sizes can be chosen such that material distortion stays local to the hole walls, among other things they are commonly used to fix data plates to castings.
    You could make the holes in the bracket a tighter fit to give a lot of hold and the hole in the tube the right size to prevent rotation and give adequate retention without distortion of the outer.
    It's your job to experiment with drive screw size, tube hole size and wall thickness to get the materials behaviour you require for your application.
    You think that's too expensive? You're not a Model Engineer are you? :D

  17. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to magicniner For This Useful Post:


  18. #10
    thanks magicniner. i guess it is a matter of experiment - much appreciated.

    i'm currently using mcmaster as a source for stock items (as it allows me to drop in the actual 3d product into fusion 360 - enabling the design) however, their tube selection seems rather marginal.

    do you have recommendations for manufacturers for smaller sized metal tubes?

  19. The Following User Says Thank You to JEK5019 For This Useful Post:


Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. RFQ: EN24 Bolt Price Required
    By carlswift in forum Projects, Jobs & Requests
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-01-2017, 10:22 PM
  2. Bolt Selection thickness
    By grain_r in forum Metalwork Discussion
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 06-01-2016, 10:55 AM
  3. Has anyone please got an idea where I could get a bolt like this?
    By suesi34e in forum Marketplace Discussion
    Replies: 31
    Last Post: 13-01-2015, 01:06 AM
  4. WANTED: bolt on rail and block bearings or what ever - what have you
    By nobby in forum Items Wanted
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 13-05-2014, 10:22 AM
  5. Machine bed T bolt
    By Colin Barron in forum Gantry/Router Machines & Building
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-10-2010, 11:20 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •