Was about to get a toy- then I did some research...

[Kitwn]

I bought my Huan Yang spindle and matching VFD (pre-configured to suit the spindle) as a set from the Huan Yang Shop on AliExpress. Seemed a bit of a no-brainer choosing them as the supplier really. Got here in a few days, which is very impressive considering where 'here' is.

[Juranovich]

I bought my Huan Yang spindle and matching VFD (pre-configured to suit the spindle) as a set from the Huan Yang Shop on AliExpress. Seemed a bit of a no-brainer choosing them as the supplier really. Got here in a few days, which is very impressive considering where 'here' is.

I out curiosity, in which regard do you see it to be a no-brainer? Have you been pleased with it?

[Kitwn]

I out curiosity, in which regard do you see it to be a no-brainer? Have you been pleased with it?

My past reading about which spindle to choose suggested that Huan Yang was a well used and reliable manufacturer of the most popular 2.2KW water-cooled design but that there were plenty of less reliable copies available from other suppliers, especially with regard to the VFD. This is why I decided that buying a combined set of spindle and matching VFD direct from that manufacturer's own shop was the obvious choice.
I have been very pleased with the spindle and VFD so far, it has worked perfectly and the majority of the VFD settings were factory set to the recommended values I found on this forum.

[NeoMorph]

My past reading about which spindle to choose suggested that Huan Yang was a well used and reliable manufacturer of the most popular 2.2KW water-cooled design but that there were plenty of less reliable copies available from other suppliers, especially with regard to the VFD. This is why I decided that buying a combined set of spindle and matching VFD direct from that manufacturer's own shop was the obvious choice.
I have been very pleased with the spindle and VFD so far, it has worked perfectly and the majority of the VFD settings were factory set to the recommended values I found on this forum.

Hmmm, I’ve taken a leap of faith and ordered a set for myself. Recently got a surprise rebate from my energy company (their automated system had increased my monthly payments and had built up a big surplus) so I think I’ll start getting parts for my second machine (that’s if I can update my first one). Will be interesting to try out.

[Kitwn]

Hmmm, I’ve taken a leap of faith and ordered a set for myself. Recently got a surprise rebate from my energy company (their automated system had increased my monthly payments and had built up a big surplus) so I think I’ll start getting parts for my second machine (that’s if I can update my first one). Will be interesting to try out.

I hope you are not disappointed!
One thing to be very careful of is the quality of your soldering inside the 4 pin plug to the spindle. If soldering is not one of your strong points, practice until it is

The power transistors in VFDs and stepper drivers are not very tolerant of sudden disconnections or short circuits to earth and many of the sob-stories you read about VFDs that failed early may be due to poor installation rather than a bad product.

Good soldering depends on cleanliness, a one molecule thick layer of grease from your fingers is enough to make the difference. Flux is also important. If the solder is forming blobs rather than flowing freely over the wires and pins then you have a problem. The old saying 'The bigger the blob, the better the job' is NOT good advice. Sleeving on each pin inside the plug is also a good idea and, as others have mentioned recently, a cable clamp on the Z axis assembly to stop the cable moving as it enters the plug is essential. I assume YouTube has a choice of videos on how to solder.

Sorry if I'm preaching to the converted and your soldering is exemplary, but I'm sure we have plenty of readers who buy their first soldering iron specifically to install a spindle and an expensive VFD is not the best device to learn on.

[Juranovich]

My past reading about which spindle to choose suggested that Huan Yang was a well used and reliable manufacturer of the most popular 2.2KW water-cooled design but that there were plenty of less reliable copies available from other suppliers, especially with regard to the VFD. This is why I decided that buying a combined set of spindle and matching VFD direct from that manufacturer's own shop was the obvious choice.
I have been very pleased with the spindle and VFD so far, it has worked perfectly and the majority of the VFD settings were factory set to the recommended values I found on this forum.

Fair enough! It seems to be the go-to set-up at that price point. Although, in all fairness, I can't seem to find any alternatives either (other than units looking exactly the same, but with different logo)...How do you find the noise level? In youtube videos it seems a bit noisy, especially the VFD.

[NeoMorph]

Sorry I know this is not exactly topic related but I'm not standing by and not saying anything on something which is SO WRONG and will potentialy lead others in wrong direction.



Cannot blame the Tech because people select the wrong motors and underbuild Z-axis. There is also a reason why we tell people to avoid machines like shepeko with this being just one of them.!




No at end of the day it comes down to if machine can handle the spindle or not.! . . . Not just the cost. From what your saying you have Shapeko type machine and the simple truth is these weak machines cannot handle large spindles like these. Got nothing to do with how it's cooled and everything to do with build quality.

Comments like your really piss me off because your actually discouraging people from using products which you clearly have little or no experience of using.

Dude, you shot at the ground and missed.... just like you missed the point of hobby users first CNC who don’t know about engineering and have never put a CNC together before.

I DID POINT OUT THAT ITS THE WEIGHT CAUSES THE GANTRY TO BOG DOWN but you obviously missed that. The water leakage thing was just me pointing out another thing in the con side of the pros and cons list.

Here you go...

The problem with hobby CNC machines using full sized spindles is weight. For example the reason most router based CNCs use router is because of weight either bogging the gantry down or causing the Z-axis to fall (like the Shapeoko, Ox etc). I think the Shapeoko actually used a SPRING at one time to help keep the router from dropping and not being able to get back up again. So a proper spindle is out of the question.

And you are soooo wrong. You knock Shapeoko type machines (I have a heavily modified Ox btw) yet to get anything better COSTS MORE MONEY.

I even said that when I could afford to get a better built machine I would go water cooled spindle because it’s superior tech. Cost me up a Workbee kit and then cost me up a decent heavy gauge gantry alone. I’m 100% sure the decent gantry is going to cost a lot more than the full Workbee kit alone.

Just look at the CNC4newbie ultimate gantry upgrade for a Shapeoko. A 500mm gantry cost $999.

I’m not trying to say I’m an expert on this subject... far from it. But the guys who have been working with CNC for years sometimes forget it’s not so easy starting out when you might be an office worker who wants to dabble in CNC. After all, the OP was going to buy one of those Chinese toys before he realised his mistake.

A Shapeoko or Workbee is a great tool to start out on. Hell, just look a John Saunders. He started out with a tiny mill next to his bed ffs and now look at him. It’s better to crawl before walking (unless you have some engineering, programming and electronics knowledge).

Edit: John Saunders is NYCCNC on YouTube and owns a huge factory (Saunders Machine Works) full of CNC machines. Guy’s a star.

So please read fully before going full “I could make a CNC out of a couple of paper clips and a hairdryer motor that is better than a Shapeoko”. It IS down to money... but also skill, time and learning. But I’d still love a water cooled spindle. I’m making do with a Dewalt 611 and a SuperPID for speed control.

Oh and that weight thing... that is what I was told by SEVERAL CNC suppliers regarding Shapeoko, Workbee and Ox kits when I enquired back in 2015.

[JAZZCNC]

Dude, you shot at the ground and missed.... just like you missed the point of hobby users first CNC who don’t know about engineering and have never put a CNC together before.

I DID POINT OUT THAT ITS THE WEIGHT CAUSES THE GANTRY TO BOG DOWN but you obviously missed that. The water leakage thing was just me pointing out another thing in the con side of the pros and cons list.

No, I didn't miss it and nobody knows better than me how new CNC user/builder struggles because I'm helping them on a daily/weekly basis.
Your comments about WC spindles are wrong on just about every level. Plus the water is only a Con when not fitted correctly just like anything wrongly fitted becomes a Con.!

And you are soooo wrong. You knock Shapeoko type machines (I have a heavily modified Ox btw) yet to get anything better COSTS MORE MONEY.

I even said that when I could afford to get a better built machine I would go water cooled spindle because it’s superior tech. Cost me up a Workbee kit and then cost me up a decent heavy gauge gantry alone. I’m 100% sure the decent gantry is going to cost a lot more than the full Workbee kit alone.

Just look at the CNC4newbie ultimate gantry upgrade for a Shapeoko. A 500mm gantry cost $999.

Oh but I'm not wrong. I've just looked at the Workbee and priced it at nearly £1500 for 500 x 500 cut area using a poxy DeWalt router.
https://ooznest.co.uk/product/workbe...ll-kit/#review

Now throw in any modifications like you have made and it won't take long to reach £2k. And you'll still have a pretty shite machine at the end of it.

Anyone who is prepared to take there time, do some research and possibly learn a few new skills can easily build a much better machine at same size for around that cost.
This machine will have linear rails, not crappy bearings riding on soft metal. Ballscrews not elastic bands for linear motion. Proper Digital drives running decent voltage which steppers need for speed, not crappy drives that can only just handle enough volts to run a light bulb let alone a stepper needed for a real router.
All with proper Z-axis that can handle a real spindle and a Gantry that won't need any upgrading just to cut a piece of wood. And best of all when ready to upgrade to a larger machine they will easily return their investment when they sell it.

A Shapeoko or Workbee is a great tool to start out on. Hell, just look a John Saunders. He started out with a tiny mill next to his bed ffs and now look at him. It’s better to crawl before walking (unless you have some engineering, programming and electronics knowledge).

These machines are a joke as router.! . . . If you want a machine to learn on then buy a cheap Chinese machine for half the costs. They are great learning machines for anyone on a budget, just don't expect the earth or try to upgrade.
If you want a real router then you have to either pay a proper price for the real thing or build your own. Anything in between is usually cheap imitation that will always be inferior and cost more money long term.

I also know John (saunders) very well having communicated with John many many times when he first started out in his New York flat. I've been at this a long time and there aren't many who I haven't dealt with(argued) or helped, or been helped by.!... DIY CNC is a small world with a great community.

My objection to your comments was the rubbishing of the WC spindle and suggesting the fact it's WC is a bad thing when you have no experience of using one. It really pisses me off when this happens because people's unjustified and biased opinions or comments on something they have no experience of using can and does send New builders down the wrong route.
By all means, say they are too heavy for Workbee.shapako, etc but don't rubbish them for being WC and suggest they leak and wreck work, etc when you have no experience of this because it's just not true when fitted correctly.

[NeoMorph]

Your comments about WC spindles are wrong on just about every level..

My objection to your comments was the rubbishing of the WC spindle and suggesting the fact it's WC is a bad thing when you have no experience of using one. It really pisses me off when this happens because people's unjustified and biased opinions or comments on something they have no experience of using can and does send New builders down the wrong route.
By all means, say they are too heavy for Workbee.shapako, etc but don't rubbish them for being WC and suggest they leak and wreck work, etc when you have no experience of this because it's just not true when fitted correctly.

*Facepalm*

You obviously need to learn to read mate. I’m not effing saying that water cooled spindles are rubbish. I’m saying they are AWESOME ON WELL BUILT MACHINES.

I give in. You obviously have the “Haha you have a crappy little CNC” mentality when there are a LOT of us smaller CNC users happily using Shapeoko, Workbees and the like... and making some really nice stuff with them too. You only have to look at people like Winston Moy to see what I mean.

Granted, the smaller CNC won’t work in harder materials than Aluminium but I don’t care as that isn’t what I got mine for.

I’m just making Flight Simulator parts and small wood projects. I’ve not got the cash to buy even a small cast iron based machine and never even will have being disabled and nearly 60 years old.

The bonus features of the smaller machine means I could at least lift it (well, I did have to have help when I rebuilt the carriage with steel reinforcements as I couldn’t lift it onto the frame when I finished - I’m a soddin weakling).

Look, let’s keep this civilised and agree to disagree. Smaller, self build kits have their place in the world. Yes, VMCs they are not, but I have had a lot of enjoyment with mine and I’m still learning something new every day even though it’s bloody hard remembering everything with the morphine and other painkillers I have to take. I’m sorry if I got a bit irritated with you but this time of year is hard on me.

I do agree with you regarding the fact that any spindle is better than a router if your machine can handle it without bogging down.

Easier access to collets, lower runout, and QUIETER are the good points... heavier weight probably requiring larger steppers, larger steppers mean more current so would have to replace the CNC xPro controller for something that could handle it...

But then the stronger steppers mean needing a better framework than v-slot and belts. It would need upping to linear rails and ballscrews... good kit if you can afford it. Then you have to get the uprights made. Not hard, just more expense. Same goes for the rest of the hardware. If you can make it yourself, then great... but a lot of people can’t.

Then there was my worry about leakage from newbie plumbing (for OCD peeps like me) and having to have a big bucket of water to kick over, oh and width of spindle bracket means I would have had to redesign my gantry as it was too narrow... those are the bad points for me and that is why I’m still using my Dewalt router. One change means a domino effect of other changes and in the UK there isn’t that much choice in hobby CNC kit. It’s simpler to get a better machine made... but there’s one problem.... I CANNOT AFFORD IT.

So please don’t disparage us hobby CNCers who cannot build them from scratch. Not everyone is as talented as you JazzCNC.

Oh and reading back the only thing that is shite here is your attitude. You never read what I originally put. Go back and read again... my only problem was with weight WEIGHT, WEEEEEEEEIIIIGHT... from advice from my supplier (Ooznest). I just added the comment about fluid leakage because I’ve seen it happen when building water cooled pcs (and those aren’t moving back and forth). You can’t tell me that leaks never occur. If you do, then you should go work for Trump as he loves liars.

So this is my last post here. I was trying to help but it seems only the god of CNC building, mr JizzCNC should give advice to newbies. Farewell idiot. 🙄

[Juranovich]

So this is my last post here. I was trying to help but it seems only the god of CNC building, mr JizzCNC should give advice to newbies. Farewell idiot. ��

I'm not jumping on the who-did-or-said-what train, but I will say that I appreciate all the advise I can get. Different perspectives only make my understanding deeper. As a beginner my main mental hurdle is to differentiate between the theoretical and practical side of things (which often don't go hand in hand). Naturally, I can only find out my capabilities by actually taking the plunge, but before I do that I do want (at least try) to make my plans as doable as possible, considering my level of competence. To this end, hearing different perspectives only helps me better understand all the pitfalls I might be up against. In the end I'd rather have a well built, but less advanced machine than a poorly assembled, but in theory top tier machine...