Was about to get a toy- then I did some research...

[NeoMorph]

Your comments about WC spindles are wrong on just about every level..

My objection to your comments was the rubbishing of the WC spindle and suggesting the fact it's WC is a bad thing when you have no experience of using one. It really pisses me off when this happens because people's unjustified and biased opinions or comments on something they have no experience of using can and does send New builders down the wrong route.
By all means, say they are too heavy for Workbee.shapako, etc but don't rubbish them for being WC and suggest they leak and wreck work, etc when you have no experience of this because it's just not true when fitted correctly.

*Facepalm*

You obviously need to learn to read mate. I’m not effing saying that water cooled spindles are rubbish. I’m saying they are AWESOME ON WELL BUILT MACHINES.

I give in. You obviously have the “Haha you have a crappy little CNC” mentality when there are a LOT of us smaller CNC users happily using Shapeoko, Workbees and the like... and making some really nice stuff with them too. You only have to look at people like Winston Moy to see what I mean.

Granted, the smaller CNC won’t work in harder materials than Aluminium but I don’t care as that isn’t what I got mine for.

I’m just making Flight Simulator parts and small wood projects. I’ve not got the cash to buy even a small cast iron based machine and never even will have being disabled and nearly 60 years old.

The bonus features of the smaller machine means I could at least lift it (well, I did have to have help when I rebuilt the carriage with steel reinforcements as I couldn’t lift it onto the frame when I finished - I’m a soddin weakling).

Look, let’s keep this civilised and agree to disagree. Smaller, self build kits have their place in the world. Yes, VMCs they are not, but I have had a lot of enjoyment with mine and I’m still learning something new every day even though it’s bloody hard remembering everything with the morphine and other painkillers I have to take. I’m sorry if I got a bit irritated with you but this time of year is hard on me.

I do agree with you regarding the fact that any spindle is better than a router if your machine can handle it without bogging down.

Easier access to collets, lower runout, and QUIETER are the good points... heavier weight probably requiring larger steppers, larger steppers mean more current so would have to replace the CNC xPro controller for something that could handle it...

But then the stronger steppers mean needing a better framework than v-slot and belts. It would need upping to linear rails and ballscrews... good kit if you can afford it. Then you have to get the uprights made. Not hard, just more expense. Same goes for the rest of the hardware. If you can make it yourself, then great... but a lot of people can’t.

Then there was my worry about leakage from newbie plumbing (for OCD peeps like me) and having to have a big bucket of water to kick over, oh and width of spindle bracket means I would have had to redesign my gantry as it was too narrow... those are the bad points for me and that is why I’m still using my Dewalt router. One change means a domino effect of other changes and in the UK there isn’t that much choice in hobby CNC kit. It’s simpler to get a better machine made... but there’s one problem.... I CANNOT AFFORD IT.

So please don’t disparage us hobby CNCers who cannot build them from scratch. Not everyone is as talented as you JazzCNC.

Oh and reading back the only thing that is shite here is your attitude. You never read what I originally put. Go back and read again... my only problem was with weight WEIGHT, WEEEEEEEEIIIIGHT... from advice from my supplier (Ooznest). I just added the comment about fluid leakage because I’ve seen it happen when building water cooled pcs (and those aren’t moving back and forth). You can’t tell me that leaks never occur. If you do, then you should go work for Trump as he loves liars.

So this is my last post here. I was trying to help but it seems only the god of CNC building, mr JizzCNC should give advice to newbies. Farewell idiot. 🙄

[Juranovich]

So this is my last post here. I was trying to help but it seems only the god of CNC building, mr JizzCNC should give advice to newbies. Farewell idiot. ��

I'm not jumping on the who-did-or-said-what train, but I will say that I appreciate all the advise I can get. Different perspectives only make my understanding deeper. As a beginner my main mental hurdle is to differentiate between the theoretical and practical side of things (which often don't go hand in hand). Naturally, I can only find out my capabilities by actually taking the plunge, but before I do that I do want (at least try) to make my plans as doable as possible, considering my level of competence. To this end, hearing different perspectives only helps me better understand all the pitfalls I might be up against. In the end I'd rather have a well built, but less advanced machine than a poorly assembled, but in theory top tier machine...

[JAZZCNC]

Look, let’s keep this civilised and agree to disagree.

I was happy to do that then you went and put this.!. .. Seriously.!!

So this is my last post here. I was trying to help but it seems only the god of CNC building, mr JizzCNC should give advice to newbies. Farewell idiot. 🙄

Obviously your Meds haven't kicked in and guess what your not the only one on here who is disabled or in bad health so cut the poor me crap.!

I have helped many disadvantaged people on this forum and others, ranging from low incomes through, disabled, depressed to Terminally Ill build very nice machines on low incomes. Several are no longer with us but I can tell you this none of them Bitched as you have about being disabled or on a low income, they had more self-respect.!

I didn't personally insult you, so please don't do that to me.

I would also like it if you stayed on the Forum because then you might see that what I say or comment on is not for Ego or Dick slapping purposes but rather for the sake of others who do not have the time to read lots of posts or trawl the internet all day.
What they do is read snippets and see comments like yours that are either just plain wrong or poorly explained and then buy or act upon them. This is not my opinion it's a fact I know because many of them end up asking me for advise or help after they have wasted money and time.

My opinion of these OZnest type machines as nothing to do with machine snobbery and everything to do with the fact my opinion is they are poor quality, poorly designed low spec machines that are overpriced which can be beaten hands down for similar costs if you DIY build. Just because you or others take offense to me saying it doesn't mean I'll stop.
Only those who have had one and then DIY built one can fully appreciate what I'm saying and only when you have experience of both sides can you truly comment and it means anything. That goes for anything, spindles, drives, etc otherwise it's always a biased opinion.!! My opinions are never one-sided and always given from personal experience of all sides.

So please stay on the forum and give your valuable opinions. All I ask is you just don't advise people or knock stuff on which you have no experience of using because I will always jump on it for the sake of others.

Now if I've upset you please accept my apology and know that none of what I've said was a personal attack on you.

I won't be posting again on this matter here so for the sake of the OP just leave it now or send me a PM if you want to continue with the insults.

[NeoMorph]

Jazz, I wasn’t saying about the disability as a poor me... I was explaining it as a a barrier to me building heavier machines AND retaining info due to the meds. I have to have a carrier bag full of meds every month and that’s why I had to give up working... hence lack of cash. Hell, I once dislocated my thumb playing COD4. 😂

For example you once put that £45 wasn’t much for a stepper motor driver. Multiply by 3 and then add in the new steppers. Then there is the psu. All this costs.

But unless I can build the mechanicals strong enough handle the extra whoomph then it’s wasted money. Why buy a rally car just to go to the shops. Still doesn’t stop me WANTING that rally car though.

Regarding mood of my previous post... I was trying to calm it down from your bitchy posts when I reread that you think Shapeoko and Ox machines are “shite”... and it just triggered me... sorry. Winter sucks for me tbh. Being stuck in bed does that.

So Jazz, sorry for my side of things. If you actually read back through this thread I was 100% agreeing with you before you went off at me. I’d rather be friendly than combative. Doesn’t mean I won’t bite back if you malign what I say though. 😉

Peace?