eBay router

[Chip Owner]

Ok well first my apologies it was not my intent to insult you.!

The point of my comments was to point out that this machine is too weak to cut aluminum correctly and by that i mean with a good DOC and nice surface finish. Thin Sheet stock like 1050 is slightly different because it's simply getting the correct feed rates and cutting it in a single pass, the quality of edge finish isn't usually a big concern within reason.
However, many of those looking at these machines who are new to CNC and want to cut aluminum want to actually Mill thick stock ie 20-30mm+ and these machines just cannot do that correctly because like you say they are designed for sheet stock. But comments like " The machine on ebay cuts aluminium fine, all day long, despite being designed for cutting MDF. Nice clean cuts even in thin 1050 sheet." gives a false impression and people buy based off these type of comments only to be disappointed. My comments are given to point these things out so folks are fully aware.!

Now your comment about you being the "user and experience" then normally I would totally agree with you and usually I'm very reluctant to comment on a product I haven't used personally but in this case my experience of building many different sizes and styles of machines often for aluminum cutting means I am very qualified to critic this machine or any machine of the same design and build quality, even if it is only 2.5K.!

Again please don't take what I'm about to say personally because it's more a statement of fact about what I often come across and given the fact you have bought this machine it may apply.!!
Often I deal with people who have either bought or built machines and they think they work great and cut great or are built strong.!! . . When in fact they are actually performing low to medium and quite weakly built. They think this based on there experience which is formed just on that one machine or an even lesser quality machine and only when they see properly designed and built machine do they appreciate the difference.!
So Experience is relative which is why I know anyone who as experience wouldn't buy this machine for cutting aluminum other than thin sheet.!! . . I wouldn't even buy it for cutting MDF if I'm honest but that's just me with my experience.!. . . . Would make a nice plasma machine thou.!

There is no point to your comment, other than conceited arrogance, in which your 'opinion' is irrelevant and if I hadn't already been convinced to ignore all your opinions!

Clearly over some time, presumably in here with an echo chamber fan base, you've convinced yourself your some kind of demigod in the CNC arena rather than just another trivial keyboard forum snob.

The ebay machine referred is a perfectly good, budget small shop production or even hobby, flatbed router - get over it!

[JAZZCNC]

There is no point to your comment, other than conceited arrogance, in which your 'opinion' is irrelevant and if I hadn't already been convinced to ignore all your opinions!

Clearly over some time, presumably in here with an echo chamber fan base, you've convinced yourself your some kind of demigod in the CNC arena rather than just another trivial keyboard forum snob.

The ebay machine referred is a perfectly good, budget small shop production or even hobby, flatbed router - get over it!

If my comments stop just one person buying this machine without knowing exactly what they are buying then I've succeeded.!! . . . . . Now I did say DON'T take my comments personally because they were never aimed at you or to offend you but yet you seem to think it's ok to attack me personally.!! . . . Maybe it's you who needs to get over it.!. .

[Chip Owner]

If my comments stop just one person buying this machine without knowing exactly what they are buying then I've succeeded.!! . . . . . Now I did say DON'T take my comments personally because they were never aimed at you or to offend you but yet you seem to think it's ok to attack me personally.!! . . . Maybe it's you who needs to get over it.!. .

And in such a childish response, your reply confirms my summation of your arrogance, ignorance and nastiness.

You are the last person anyone should listen to for advice on CNC's, so far up your own backside your void of anything substantial, just supposition and opinion.

I hope my exposing you in here for the CNC snob you are, will confirm that the real experts that folks need to consult when buying or even using machines aren't found hanging around forums, where only keyboard fantasists with delusions of grandeur like you are found.

The real experts are out in the real world.

Unfortunately for you, the machine mentioned in this thread WORKS does all the things you say it can't! That's a fact you can never change!

Get over it.

[m_c]

And in such a childish response, your reply confirms my summation of your arrogance, ignorance and nastiness.

You are the last person anyone should listen to for advice on CNC's, so far up your own backside your void of anything substantial, just supposition and opinion.

I hope my exposing you in here for the CNC snob you are, will confirm that the real experts that folks need to consult when buying or even using machines aren't found hanging around forums, where only keyboard fantasists with delusions of grandeur like you are found.

The real experts are out in the real world.

Unfortunately for you, the machine mentioned in this thread WORKS does all the things you say it can't! That's a fact you can never change!

Get over it.

Hahahaha.
Somebody is sounding a bit butt hurt about having the flaws in their new pride and joy pointed out.

I don't always agree with Jazz, but he is probably one of the most experienced people for routers, and I'm sure plenty other people, not only on here but in the real world who have purchased machines from him, will agree with that.

[Chip Owner]

Hahahaha.
Somebody is sounding a bit butt hurt about having the flaws in their new pride and joy pointed out.

I don't always agree with Jazz, but he is probably one of the most experienced people for routers, and I'm sure plenty other people, not only on here but in the real world who have purchased machines from him, will agree with that.

Could not be further from the truth!

But as is typical in all forums, there are keyboard fanatics, who have an opinion on everything, rightly or as in this case wrongly, who develop their own echo chamber and cannot accept sometimes they're wrong.

I prefer honest realism, from the first reply I gave, which as the owner of one of these machines I gave! A fair assessment, made prior to purchase and confirmed on using, a machine that in literally one month of use has paid for itself 3 times over in production.

Real fact is 80% of people in here looking for a CNC machine won't have large pockets ££, they won't ever cut much more than wood or plastic either and those that do cut aluminium will already know the if they want to make deep, fast cuts into metal a flatbed CNC is not the right choice.

As a northerner, I call out idiots and know it alls when I see them!

[joe.ninety]

Could not be further from the truth!

But as is typical in all forums, there are keyboard fanatics, who have an opinion on everything, rightly or as in this case wrongly, who develop their own echo chamber and cannot accept sometimes they're wrong.

Before you get too enthusiastic about this machine, did you inquire with the seller as to whether or not it meets the requirements laid out in the Low Voltage Directive? Every low voltage (sub 1kV) device sold in the country needs to comply with this. It's the testing regime that most v.small manufacturers fall down on as the requisite test equipment costs are very high, or the costs of having a 3rd party carry out the required tests are prohibitive.

The only way around it legally if it doesn't meet the LVD requirements is if it is sold in kit form, but the listing seems to suggest that it is built to order?

If the guy/gal is selling home made electrical equipment, and I'm mostly referring to the control system, without meeting his statutory legal requirements, then it's only a matter of time before this catches up with him/her, Here's a quote that you can verify the veracity of quite easily...

“It is an offence to supply electrical equipment which does not comply with the requirements of the Regulations. Any person committing an offence is liable,
under summary conviction to imprisonment, a fine or both”

Cheers

[JAZZCNC]

And in such a childish response, your reply confirms my summation of your arrogance, ignorance and nastiness.

Ok well nowhere in any of my posts have I thrown insults or attacked you personally, so who's the nasty one here.?

Regards the Armchair warrior bullshit then I've built or converted more machines and helped or influenced more builds all over the world than you've probably cut parts on your new toy so you couldn't be further from the mark on that one.!

If you care to look back you'll also see that nowhere did I condemn the machine and actually agreed with you that it's suitable for cutting aluminum sheet stock.
My comments were and are still aimed at those who think it's capable of cutting thicker aluminum as they see done on more substantial machines.

Now what you don't know is that I've had over a dozen PM's or Emails asking about this machine from people who want to do exactly this, so this was the main reason for my comments when I saw your post which said "This machine can cut aluminum all day long". . . .Because as I said in one of my replies there's a big difference between cutting sheet stock and plate correctly and this machine isn't strong enough to cut plate stock correctly with a good finish and this needs pointing out to those potential purchasers.
Anyone who's built low strength machine and tried to cut plate with any reasonable DOC and to a decent finish quality will verify this, of which there are many on this forum.! . . . Most of who built a stronger better-suited router to do the job.

Now enjoy your new money tree and have a nice day.!! ..