New to CNC - machine ideas to fit needs and budget.

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2. ALl the crappy staff i see in Spain and as obviously UK that pretends to be industrial is 3, including the machine we are talking in this posts.

So what makes a machine industrial in your eyes Boyan.? Just because something is built out of armoured plate and looks "Industrial" doesn't always mean it's succesfull in Industry.? That being it's earning the user profit.

All that steel requires more work to build and more power to move around that armoured plate so more expensive components required which all push up the cost of a machine.
Now if you have a need to hog out large volumes of material or require the slightly better finish that extra mass offers then great and it may be worth the extra costs.
However you cannot say just because a machine is made from Aluminium that it's not industrial. For instance KERN who make some of the most precise and accurate machines in the world use a large amount of Alumnium in key areas of there machines for it's light weight and thermal properties.

To me industrial is about being fit for purpose, well built and profitable for the user. Most machines cutting wood or sheet material in light/Med industry which most small to medium business users tend to be doesn't require a tank. They require reliabilty and profit.

For instance you couldn't in anyway shape or form call this machine of mine below Industrial in the way you describe your tanks.
Yet I have 2 customers who turn over £100,000 + per year using these machines and have been doing so for several years. They work 6 days wk, 12hr days and without any break downs with limited maintance, this is possible because they are built correctly with correct components.

At the time aprox 5yrs ago one of those customers paid £5K so that's nealy £500,000 for a £5K investment which hasn't broken down or complained and the parts it makes couldn't be made any better or any quicker if they was using a £100,000 Router.

In my book that makes that machine Industrial.! . . .And I have many other customers using similair machines making very good livings with aluminium/steel based machine and the vertical design I build. . . Remember Boyan the Industrial revolution started right here in good Old Yorkshire.. . .