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    Quote Originally Posted by pippin88 View Post
    I can't see how the stiffness loss with a slot is worth it.

    The below shows two identical columns, except one has a slot cut in it. There is 2.36x as much deflection with the slot.
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    Bellows don't compromise rigidity.
    Like I said the first time, it depends on the application if it's worth it or not. This machine has a specific usage (which I can't mention because of customer confidentiality) that doesn't require high strength so deflection won't be any concern even if it deflected 10x.
    This is not my first rodeo, I wouldn't build something that wasn't more than up to the task it's been designed to do by a large factor.

    If I was building a machine for cutting more aggressively and I will be very soon, then you'll see it's designed very different with much more bracing and thicker wall tubes, but it will still have the slots because they very much protect the screws. Also, you are making a big assumption that there is nothing inside those tubes.!!

    I'd also be interested in the forces you applied to those tubes.? Are they realistic or would we need 30Kw servos with 2mm pitch 30mm ball-screws to repeat...


    Quote Originally Posted by pippin88 View Post
    Who cares what it looks like?
    More than you think do care, also usually IMO when something looks wrong, it usually works wrong or awkwardly.



    Quote Originally Posted by pippin88 View Post
    Racking is a consideration. Depends on width between rails and bearing spacing along the rails.
    Racking can't NOT happen IMO when it's plunging into hard materials for operations like drilling, it's just by how much.?

    The extra expense of making it more massive, etc to counteract this far outweighs buying another ball-screw as it doesn't stop at just the width, spacing, etc. As it gets heavier, wider, etc, it requires larger and more costly everything.
    Doubling up means you share the loads so can use a smaller size and less expensive components which cancels out any cost offsets but gives a much better-balanced machine.!. . . Which looks like it was designed by someone who knows what there doing and not a tight-arse who's trying to save a few ££.

    Quote Originally Posted by pippin88 View Post
    I agree, ball screw expense is not the biggest consideration (though starts to get much more when you use high quality bearing blocks etc). I'm thinking about screw mapping and linear encoders - much harder with two screws.
    Belt stretch is a concern for a long enough belt to link those two ball screws.
    Well first I wouldn't use belts on something any wider than that little machine I did and I wouldn't use belts if I was chasing accuracy to the degree of mapping ball-screws as it defeats the point and like you say makes it very difficult.

    Regards Screw mapping then very few do that at the DIY level and if using linear encoders rather than rotary encoders then you shouldn't need to map the screw. Your only concern then is keeping the two sides in sync and I'd assume if using linear encoders the control system will be fully closed-loop so will handle that side.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardenum View Post
    The main DOC concern was that when I put different pieces with different height onto the vacuum table I'd hit the higher ones with the vertical beam. Like machining the bottom and top piece (http://www.jt-precision.com/uploads/...7293225867.jpg) one after another without actually having to go and change the piece. Sure I could put the higher one to the front, it would work, but knowing me, I'd switch the 2 unconsciously and mess some part of the machine.

    Anyway, do you recommend a ballscrew on each column or one thicker in the middle?
    That piece would not be machined assembled. It would be done in two pieces and then the hinges connected.

    Your design won't machine that work in one piece anyway. Your cutting tool will be say 5mm, but 50mm higher in Z you will have your full spindle cartridge/Z axis to hit the piece standing up.

    How much experience do you have machining / making parts?

    Some of the issues you are trying to solve with machine design are actually fixturing issues.

    No machine design will save you from forgetting to do something correctly.

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