That response is better than i expected John so thanks for the reply. it looks like Ebay here we come as i need to raise some spondoolies to pay for the new drivers on the latest build. The annoying thing is that i plan on changing my lathe at sometime in the near future. You can bet youre bottom dollar it will be able to make use of the collets. Oh well 'finish CNC router or wait for maybe'? - router it will have to be....