Ok tops marks for that info andy, let me know when you find somthing. i'v been thinking about my cabling on my machine i'm building, i'm a bit fussy when it comes to details and knowing everything is right, they call me a perfectionist, i call it knowing you'v done it right lol.

So anyway i'm planing on building a shelf type system for a laptop to sit on the back of my machine, with the driver cards and so on underneath all nicly out of the way mounted on somthing like you find your motherboard is mounted to in a pc system, i dont plan to use metal as the plate i was going to use plexiglass or somthing like that. A little off topic i know just thout i'd say :), what i was coming to is i'm gonna try and build a stealth like system for all the wires. Now you have told me about the problems i could find ill take that into consideration thanks mate.