Thread: Oh crumbs. Here we go!
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14-10-2012 #1
Well I've managed to restructure my Z Axis. I've had to compromise on the travel to space out the linear bearings a bit more. But hopefully it should now be a bit more rigid. I've also swapped the bearings onto the stationary back plate and moved the rails onto the moving part. I've also been able to shave about 20mm off the width too. It's now approx 160mm wide by 330mm high with 150mm of travel. I don't really want to go less than 150mm of travel. I suppose the I could always add longer rails at a later stage if I ever really need that extra travel, and could also then move the bearings even further apart. Lesson number one learnt, design the bloody thing before you order the parts!
Now to start looking at connecting it to the Y axis. Thanks all for clearing that one up.Last edited by hoppo; 14-10-2012 at 10:40 AM.
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18-10-2012 #2
Blimey a big thumbs up to Chai,
unbelievable service, guess what turned up on my doorstep this morning, all the way from China, less than a week after ordering?
I was like a kid at Christmas this morning. Only problem now is that I was expecting it to take at least a couple more weeks to arrive and hopefully I'd have been well on the way to completing some sort of design! Which I haven't!
What I have managed to do is think a bit about my YAxis, and have come up with a couple of ideas, nothing revolutionary and not anything that you'll not have seen before, and this is where the questions start to flow.
Up until now I've been hoping to use aluminium extrusion, for ease and simplicity, but having another browse through the other builds got thinking about using aluminium plate. Is there any advantage of using plate? On my second design in the pics attached to this post I think this would work better with aluminium plate, instead of using the extrusion and then I was thinking I could move the ball screw onto the same side as the rails. My only concern is the extra cost involved in getting the pieces made up. What are the comparative costs in buying a 750mm length of extrusion and say a 750x300x20mm plate? Is 20mm thick enough as a back plate for a Y Axis?
Of my two initial ideas below I'm leaning towards the first one as it just looks stronger, but am all ears as to any thoughts, advice on improvements, amendments, materials etc etc.Last edited by hoppo; 18-10-2012 at 03:23 PM.
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18-10-2012 #3
From the picture, unless it's a twin start screw, it looks like you got RM1605 for the longest screw, not RM1610. Assuming the ballscrew is 1150mm long, as per the original post, this will limit you to about 8.5m/min due to the critical speed. That speed is plenty, but I doubt you will get it with 3Nm motors unless you have a 2:1 ratio between the motor and the ballscrew to get 10mm 'effective pitch'.
20mm is plenty thick enough as a back plate for the Y-axis, so long as you have some box section or extrusion bolted to it to increase the strength parallel to X and the torsional stiffness. It will be much more rigid if you have the ballscrew directly between the rails, so on the same side is good.
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21-10-2012 #4
Hi Jonathan, thanks for your post. It is indeed a single start RM1605 and 1150mm in length. I was planning on trying to drive it directly with a Nema 23 3Nm stepper but after your post I'll now somehow implement using pulleys to drive the x axis. So much yet to learn, but hey that's half the fun! On the subject of ratios will the RM1605's be ok for the shorter Y and Z axis's being driven directly? I saw a post on here that recommended this site Bearing Station - Adhesives, Bearings, Belts, Chains, O Rings, Oil Seals, Pulleys & Sprockets so I'll start to have a look at what would work, unless you've got any other recommendations. I was also beginning to think of using two screws, instead of one along the x axis. Would this make a difference or if I did go down this route would you still advise on using a 2:1 ratio but on both screws?
I've decided to definitely use aluminium plate for the Y axis, it just looks and feels more solid, and the prices are comparable, having looked on aluminium warehouse. Would I need to use ecocast for the backplate or would 6082 do the job? I'll probably be looking for someone to machine the sides for me, and then I'll drill it tap it and bolt it together. Anyhow I've attached my idea for the Y axis. As usual any comments appreciated. And also as usual many thanks for all the help so far. I'm sure there'll be loads more questions.
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