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    Hi Mark,

    I can add two more bolt holes like here:

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    Still not sure about the slot, even with out, I doubt I'll get more play in case of other errors, as the four bolt holes will have to align leaving maybe a few 0.01mm of play here and there (although I won't be able to move much if I need to anyway due to the amount of holes involved). As you say, I can always add supports later if I need to.

    Also, I've checked and the total static load will be around the 1kg mark, not 2kg like I thought before. I'm pretty sure four M6 bolts can handle 1kg, so it's basically a matter of machining the parts correctly to get 90degs everywhere.

    Regards,
    dsc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsc View Post
    I'm pretty sure four M6 bolts can handle 1kg, so it's basically a matter of machining the parts correctly to get 90degs everywhere.
    Four M6 bolts would probably handle several hundered times that before shearing! As mark said, you don't need the bolt holes to be deep - bear in mind you'll struggle to tap M6 more than about 25mm deep anyway. The strength of the joint depends on the friction between the surfaces, and thus the clamping force and surface finish. Increasing the length of the bolts beyond 20mm of thread wont make much difference to the force you can apply.

    If you don't mind me asking, what is the part for? It can help a lot to know since we might be over examining this, or worse vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    bear in mind you'll struggle to tap M6 more than about 25mm deep anyway.
    Why would that be then.? . . . . I've tapped 100's M6 threads deeper than 25mm.!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZCNC View Post
    Why would that be then.? . . . . I've tapped 100's M6 threads deeper than 25mm.!
    I meant significantly more. If the tap does not have a reduced shank then clearly the depth it can cut is limited to the length of the tap, which for some of the ones I have is around 20-25mm. Either way it doesn't change the point I'm making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    Four M6 bolts would probably handle several hundered times that before shearing! As mark said, you don't need the bolt holes to be deep - bear in mind you'll struggle to tap M6 more than about 25mm deep anyway. The strength of the joint depends on the friction between the surfaces, and thus the clamping force and surface finish. Increasing the length of the bolts beyond 20mm of thread wont make much difference to the force you can apply.

    If you don't mind me asking, what is the part for? It can help a lot to know since we might be over examining this, or worse vice versa.
    Jonathan, I wasn't worried about shearing the bolts, I simply thought that 80mm long bolts will offer more support for the horizontal plate.

    As for the use of the part, it will be part of a coffee grinder with these used to crush the beans:

    http://www.portafilter.net/uploaded_..._LL-752918.jpg

    This means there will be mostly clockwise turning forces acting on the mount and the carriage, although I don't know what the torque is yet.

    Regards,
    dsc.

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    I'm contemplating a similar problem at the moment, so I thought I'd add it in here rather than start a new topic.

    Here's a corner joint, with three 15mm plates (Eco Cast, so should be 15mm consistent across):

    http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/...rner_joint.png

    Idea is to get the edges aligned perfectly and easily. Plates are held using M5 bolts, with 5.5mm through-holes on the plate faces to allow some wiggle room on the edge threaded holes. This must come up quite often in various CNC machine builds, so I'm curious what you normally use.

    So far I've got the following solutions on my list:

    - pocket cuts to match the plates against each other

    - corner jig to align plates, so no further machining

    - locating pins

    Dead square box is needed, I'm open to any suggestions.

    Regards,
    dsc.

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