Thanks you all make very good points and I had read a thread earlier about a similar idea. The consensus seems to be someone needs to take charge, in no way am I a leader but I do want to see if I can beat the Chinese with a better and possibly cheaper build but cheaper is not exactly the issue the issue is built quality and the quality it produces. The problem I have is I need to team up with someone who is an engineer and willing to break down the parts that can be fabricated and the parts that need to be bought. Then as you suggested Geoffrey I will attempt to outsource the part building to members and see if they are willing to bid a price for the job. This way if the only thing I achieve is a bigger and better second CNC then at least I have achieved something. Then I can post my experiences and costs etc to see if building them for sale either to members or outside the forum is viable.