Help with new machine

**Xenophya** · 05-03-2013

Originally Posted by GEOFFREY

Hi, wellcome to the site. I do not think you will find a machine with the Z travel that you require within your budget, but I am sure you can build a machine to suit.
I think the best alternative would be to buy a machine with the bed size you want and modify the gantry and make a new Z axis complete.If you are only cutting
soft materials the high Z should be ok. - Just my opinion. G.

Hello Geoffrey,

Many thanks for the speedy reply. We don't really have the time or expertise to build one, what do you think we should expect to pay? What companies should we be looking at? We would also be looking for training on how to use the machine? What about if that Z was reduced to say 300mm?

Cheers
Mark

**GEOFFREY** · 05-03-2013

Mark, most of the members of this forum are interested in diy machine builds, and many of them have had little or no experience prior to their builds. If you read the build logs you will realize what I mean, and see that with some help and guidance people usually end up with a machine to suit their needs. If you have a decent sized workshop and a good 3 phase supply you should be able to find an older commercial machine within your budget that would suit, although it would probably have a 2400mm bed.
It is possible that one of our most experienced members would be prepared to design and build a machine for you. G.

**Xenophya** · 07-03-2013

Hello Geoffrey,

Many thanks for the speedy reply,

We have a good sized work shop and a decent 3 phase supply (have a look here to see some photos of our set-up http://www.coroflot.com/mark19/Studio)

I don’t mind the idea of buying a second user machine, but we are looking to buy through an asset finance company because it is more tax efficient than buying outright. We are also after training support so we really need to buy from a reputable company ideally in the UK who know the product and can help us out when we get stuck.

In November last year we ordered an EMACH CNC Router Model EM Roto 600 from a chap called Leigh Tricklebank at EMACH International Limited. We were told it was an Ex Demo model and we were quoted £12,000.00. I went down to Walsall to see the chassis being built, it was all very convincing. It had a 2000mm x 600mm Working Area, a 250mm Working Height (across the 600mm width) with a 4KW Electro Spindle, Pneumatic Material Clamps, 10M/Min Axis Speed, and quoted 0.2mm Axis Repeatability 0.05 Programming Accuracy. Emach’s quote included delivery to us up here in the North East, ½ Day Installation, included 1 Day Training and a seat of ‘Delcam artcam’ CAD CAM Software.

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It all seemed too good to be true, and it was! The machine was never delivered and Emach ceased trading. Fortunately for us we went through an asset finance company, as such they actually bought the piece of equipment to lease to us over a 4 year period. On further investigation it turns out Leigh Tricklebank has been the MD of a string of companies that have taken money and failed to deliver. Unbelievably the finance company didn’t check that we had received the machine before releasing payment in full. The finance company have now refunded us the instalments and deposit we had paid and are now pursuing Tricklebank to recover the debt. Ironically the reason we chose Emach was that they were a British company making the routers here so would be able to offer the support and training that we are after.

We are now starting the whole process of sourcing a suitable machine again. If you or any of the forum members can pass on any contact details of a company that might be able to help us I would be extremely grateful.

Many thanks in advance Mark

**Web Goblin** · 07-03-2013

Shame about the Emach deal. I do seem to remember something about them disappearing at the end of last year although I have never dealt with them. I also think one of the forum members used to work for them?

**Xenophya** · 07-03-2013

Yes he did and was extremely helpful, a top chap.

**Xenophya** · 07-03-2013

Would reducing our required Z height help?

**GEOFFREY** · 07-03-2013

Hi Mark, sorry to hear of your tale of woe with regard to EMACH. I'm pleased to hear your are not going to lose money over the deal, how on earth did they release money without checking?

With regard to the lower Z you will certainly increase the number of possible machines available, but I do think it still likely to be a used machine rather than new.

Do you think that the leasing company would be prepared to allow used purchase, if so would there be an age limit? G.

**Xenophya** · 08-03-2013

Originally Posted by GEOFFREY

Hi Mark, sorry to hear of your tale of woe with regard to EMACH. I'm pleased to hear your are not going to lose money over the deal, how on earth did they release money without checking?

With regard to the lower Z you will certainly increase the number of possible machines available, but I do think it still likely to be a used machine rather than new.

Do you think that the leasing company would be prepared to allow used purchase, if so would there be an age limit? G.

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't finance a second hand machine as long as it came from an established company who can provide a proper invoice. At the same time as taking on the CNC router we took on a second hand Stiefelmayer System B surface plate and CMM (which was delivered and installed).