yeah I have been looking around and can see that "thought highly of" is not amongst the comments...so where to go from here?? self build?? not impossible it has to be said, I'm a (reasonably) competent mechanic, a skilled electronics engineer, a (sort of) competent but bad tempered programmer (I can do it but hate it) and a skilled wood worker. SO....i am tempted to try a self build AND solve the "room" problem by building the machine over the 4 fooot square cast iron table of my saw bench such that it shares the same space. (if the rails were flush with the saw table , with the gantry racked back and fully raised it wouldnt interfere with cross cutting OR ripping. and the inevitable loss of having the facility to cross cut an 8 x 4 sheet would be compensated by using the cnc to do this) Hmmmm....possible ??? comments welcome (well helpful ones anyhow )