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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by embraced View Post
    What sort of motor are you using for the spindle?
    And how on earth does it achieve such a high power density?
    It's the same type of motor as I used here - permanent magnet synchronous motor (PMSM), with an outer rotor. The high power density partly stems from the magnets, which replace the rotor magnetising current in, for example, an induction motor, resulting in lower losses. There is more to it than that though - e.g. differences in cooling.

    This is how far I've got with rewinding the motor - two phases done, but I do have a low resistance from one phase to the stator, so I'll probably have to re-do that one and be more careful.

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    Cut out the motor mount for Z from 20mm thick aluminium yesterday:

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    This morning I cut the motor mounting plate for the spindle motor:

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    This is where it fits:

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    The large pulley (60T) isn't all the way on the spindle shaft, but this shows the general idea. The spindle pulley is keyed and the motor pulley fixed using four grubscrews, which should be sufficient...more on that later.

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    The spindle pulley is much bigger than the original gear, so I had to mill a bit off the top cover to clear the pulley and belt:

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    Z-ballnut mount (again):

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    I just need to make the Z-ballscrew bearing mounts, finish rewinding the motor and make the driver, decide if I need an encoder on the spindle and then I can continue with the ATC.
    Last edited by Jonathan; 29-06-2014 at 11:20 AM.
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  2. #2
    a cracking thread again jon.
    im looking forward to seeing how this performs,thanks for posting ;)

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by deisel View Post
    im looking forward to seeing how this performs,thanks for posting ;)

    You're not the only one!


    I finished rewinding the motor the day before yesterday, so here it is ready to varnish:

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    Checked the back-emf constant was correct by spinning it in the lathe and measuring the peak voltage with oscilloscope. Then powered a small light bulb with it for general amusement...


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    I tested the motor with my driver last night, just open loop control - will post a video if anyone's interested.


    I started a job at university yesterday, so progress will be slower for now. I'll instead concentrate on finishing off the motor driver design and making them.
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  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Roberts View Post
    loved the bolt spacing theory so thanks for sharing that, cant wait to see the rest, keep up the good work !
    Since you seem to like bolts, here's my justification for putting four setscrews in the motor pulley...

    A setscrew works by applying a force which results in a contact force between the opposite side of the shaft and bore. Based on the tightening torque of the setscrew, we can calculate this force and if the co-efficient of friction between the shaft and bore is known, the holding torque can be determined - approximately of course.

    For one screw it's very simple - the axial force on the screw is equal to the contact force (C) between the shaft and bore, so:

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    The motor shaft diameter is 12mm, we can fit M5 grubscrews, they're black and according to this list the tightening torque is about 4.7Nm, so substitute that lot in:

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    With multiple screws, we have to resolve the forces to find the effective contact force. Define the angle as the angle between the two screws, then resolve the force on one screw in the radial direction and double it to get the radial force for both screws:

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    I put the screws spaced at 90° because it makes milling the flats on the shaft easier, but this formula shows that the smaller the angle between the screws, the greater the holding torque, so 60° would have been better. For 90° that reduces to ., so now we have .. That torque is a little greater than the motor rating, but shock loads could impose much higher torques so I added another two screws further along the shaft to double the load capacity.

    Some pictures I forgot to post of testing the motor:

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    Last edited by Jonathan; 14-07-2014 at 08:38 PM. Reason: Missing attachments
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  5. #5
    A week ago I made some progress with the power drawbar in preparation for the ATC system, here's a quick video to demonstrate:



    More to follow in a couple of weeks, other projects getting in the way...
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  7. #6
    I got the ATC working this weekend - at least in principle:





    I've made quite a few parts for the carousel etc, but they're all quite simple so it didn't take long. There's a few issues I've mentioned in the video - the main things are to add sensors, change the coupling between the carousel and gearbox for something stiffer and check the clamping torque upon the toolholder. It's currently just controlled using a few lines of gcode - the air solenoids are currently controlled from LinuxCNC via relays just using the M64/M65 commands and delays. When I've got time I'll do it properly, so sensors are checked at each stage (using M66) to avoid mishaps.
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  9. #7
    Looking good, it will be interesting to see it working under real load conditions but it looks like a first on this forum.

    Well done. ..Clive

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