Hey Neil,

I'm sorry about that your certainly not teaching granny, I gone more on the lines well that seemed to make the shape I want at the time. I will certainly group then from now on the makes a lot of sense I tried to do it with layers instead of the grouping and then selecting the layer to move things around. Although I certainly got further on sketch-up than on Autocad 3d up to now that's next weeks job then (Well Maybe)

Thanks Eddy that sounds like it would be worth a look at I also though about a plasma cutter for the future for stainless although thats as far as I've gone with it. I appologize not having used one of these things would I be able to set a home and then use different paths for the further cuts ? I'm certainly not worried about having to swap the spindle around between then that would get the hoped for cutting area when I forgot about the bearing blocks when I felt like a shopping trip before I knew anything at all.

thanks

Rob