Greetings to all in MYCNCUK!

[Nauris]

JAZZCNC, in general I understood all issues you wrote about these machines and I appreciate that honest temper used to describe it all.
Why people buy these mainly because can't find any better on this price level.
But now thanks for given information I can see more clearly what to expect from Heiz.
Right now I'm not in a position to spend time building my own machine, so I will definitely buy a ready to go set.
So the next step is to keep searching for machine with proper frame, supported linear rails and ball screws.
Actually yesterday evening we started to look on Al series from team-haase.de
These machines seems much better compared to Heiz.

[JAZZCNC]

Actually yesterday evening we started to look on Al series from team-haase.de
These machines seems much better compared to Heiz.

Yes better but still got problems and still way over priced for what you get, which isn't what it looks.! . . . This looks a like the same German machine once showed on here by a company and there is a thread some where, all be it hacked to death of the negatives.! In which I gave my usual Honest appraisal of the machine and found it lacking in few places, again the linear rail system was big concern and focus.
In the Orginal thread the Company complained so much that spineless Admin deleted much of the negative stuff despite it all being undeniable and plainly there to see but I'll glady repeat my concerns if you like.!!

The Problem you face is that most company's are chasing maximum profit and the linear rail system is a high value component so an area in which they can maximise profit if they use cheaper alternative. It's similair situation with the electronics side.! . . . Doesn't matter to them that both are Key areas of machine because short term it works or appears too. By which time they have your money and your left to deal or work around any short comings the machine has.
Technicly they have done nothing wrong because the machine does work has described. Morally they are shite's because they play on consumers lack knowledge.
To some degree the fact it's overpriced in relation to what you get is the buyers fault for accepting or not researching whats required of good sustainable machine and paying there inflated prices.
Also to some degree Same applies with the fact they are often woefully inadequate at what they are asked to do because not enough research is done on the buyers part.

Sadly I can't offer an alternative at this lower price range.

[Lee Roberts]

Actually yesterday evening we started to look on Al series from team-haase.de
These machines seems much better compared to Heiz.

Hi Nauris,

Welcome to the forum, you can find more information about these machines on the forum links below:

JBEC CNC Router System is now available in the UK

JBEC router system UNDER THE BONNET

Not that it really matters, i'm not quite sure what "Orginal thread" JazzCNC is referring to, i'm pretty confident that the two discussions linked above, are infact the ONLY discussions to have taken place here on the forum regarding these machines, looking closely they don't appear to have been moderated, although posts have been edited by their original authors there is allot of pictures and information about these machines that should help you in your research.

All the best in finding a suitable machine.

.Me

[JAZZCNC]

Not that it really matters, i'm not quite sure what "Orginal thread" JazzCNC is referring to, i'm pretty confident that the two discussions linked above, are infact the ONLY discussions to have taken place here on the forum regarding these machines, looking closely they don't appear to have been moderated, although posts have been edited by their original authors there is allot of pictures and information about these machines that should help you in your research.

Erm maybe it would matter if it was your Replys that went missing in the night.!!! . . . . . It's been 2yrs now so I'm fuzzy to everything that was written and went missing but I clearly 100% remember being attacked and accussed by Stoney because in post #7 I happen mentioned I build similair machine to Exel. So he assumed I was in business selling them and trying to discredit their machine to sell my own. When infact the truth was I only built them on request from forum members or very selectively approached those I thought could benefit and deserved help. This is mostly still true today but I do build more now than did before.!

But the point being I did reply and has can be imagined I probably didn't mince my words.!!! . . . . So where is that post because I certainly didn't remove it.? Stoney could Edit his own post but he couldn't remove or touch mine so who did.?
Truth of the matter is that thread today is fraction of what was actually said at the time.!! There were other posts on that thread that went missing or got trimmed to within an inch of there life of being unrecognisable to what I actually wrote.!! . . . . Just like has happened several times before on other threads with machine manufacturers.!!

I say what I say to help people and despite what some may think I don't do it because I get a kickout pulling a machine to pieces or to massage my huge ego.!! . . . My past record should show I don't comment unless I know what I'm saying is correct and can prove or I have experience. Yes in the past some folks have pushed my buttons and I've fired too quick. I still do just not so much.!!
But I think it's morally wrong to turn a blind eye and not point these things out to people who are wide open to buying machines that are wrong or over priced. Just like I think it's morally wrong to Sensor threads just to please the "one" at the potential expense of the "many".!!

Ok rant over said my piece.!

[Lee Roberts]

I'm fuzzy to everything that was written and went missing but I clearly 100% remember being attacked and accussed by Stoney because in post #7 I happen mentioned I build similair machine to Exel. So he assumed I was in business selling them and trying to discredit their machine to sell my own.

But the point being I did reply and has can be imagined I probably didn't mince my words.!!! . . . . So where is that post because I certainly didn't remove it.? Stoney could Edit his own post but he couldn't remove or touch mine so who did.?

Hi JazzCNC,

Like I said above, I've looked into this for you and there doesn't appear to be any moderation that has taken place on those threads, we stopped hard deleting content that needs removing from public viewing many years ago, as such the area we use as storage for such content, doesn't hold anything remotely connected to those discussions.

As I also said above, many of the posts have been edited by their authors, so it's quite possible something that was said to you was removed by the author. This could be why there is no record of moderation taking place on those posts.

With regards to your own posts being removed, if a post has content relevant to the discussion taking place then it gets left, only inappropriate comments get removed and in their place a tag that looks like this is left behind (***REMOVED*** or ***MODERATED***) along with info on what part of the forum guidelines is relevant, however like I said above, posts in that discussion have only been edited by their authors.

As a side note: When a posted is edited, regardless of the person making the edit, a copy of the original content is retained and covers an unlimited number of revisions that may have been made, so it's quite easy to compare post revisions to the original, this can be found by clicking the note added to the bottom of a post when it has been edited, it reads as something like: "Last edited by JAZZCNC; 48 Minutes Ago at 05:35 PM.", however this feature isn't available to everyone.

Truth of the matter is that thread today is fraction of what was actually said at the time.!! There were other posts on that thread that went missing or got trimmed to within an inch of there life of being unrecognisable to what I actually wrote.!! . . . . Just like has happened several times before on other threads with machine manufacturers.!!

Hum the truth of the matter is that reading through both threads, from the start to the end, the discussion flows quite naturally and how you would expect, with replies matching the order and so on of what was said previously, there is also comment made towards one of the machines Jonathan was involved with, highlighted by yourself in post 23, where you say:

Oh Dear oh Dear that's a bit pathetic mate.!! . . . After trying to serve waffle topped with Bull shit you then launch the teddy out the pram just because we didn't coo and Agh over your baby..! . . . Then you try to pick on other peoples baby's to make you look or feel better. . .Lol

So I don't know if that is some of your recollection making its way through the fuzziness your experiencing regarding this.

Just like I think it's morally wrong to Sensor threads just to please the "one" at the potential expense of the "many".!!

I share the same moral actually, as the only "spineless Admin" of that time, I can confirm that I have never had any correspondence with the members involved in those discussions, regarding those discussions...until today.

I guess I could go back through the Moderator Control Panel Logs to see if any of the moderators with delete capabilities, but no "spineless Admin" capabilities deleted posts on those threads...

...NAAAA I've got better things to be doing than proving other peoples worthiness to the "one", let alone my own.

I guess we are WAY off topic now (again), hijacking the thread and showing no etiquette what so ever. I apologise for being a hypocrite.

.Me