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    Quote Originally Posted by Juranovich View Post
    After much googling and talking to my uncle who's an electrical engineer I think I've got my head around the basics of this. One thing i still find confusing however is that logically you'd want to run the motors at they're rated current but I keep reading that the drives only draw 2/3 of that assuming parallel wiring (hence psu should be sized 2/3*Atot).
    Be careful here when talking with electrical engineers ie: Domestic electricians or maintenance electricians because while they know how electricity and how circuits work etc I find they don't always understand or realize how different a Stepper driven machine differs to say typical AC motor system.
    A stepper drive uses a chopping system to control the current/voltage that steppers require so it's not straight forward in terms of power draw etc like it is with say an AC motor connected straight to mains voltage.
    The drives use a chopping system which uses PWM which only draws current 50% of the cycle on time. This power is taken from the capacitors in the DC system (AC drives just rectify inside the drives to DC) so during the Off cycle time the capacitors are recharging so only drawing power 50% of the time.
    This is one of the reasons why the PSU can be sized lower than total Motor ratings. The other reasons being Not all Motors will draw full current all of the time and if they do then it's for very short periods and the Capacitors and drives will deal with any shortfall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juranovich View Post
    Now, are the drives able to supply the motors the full rated current even if only 2/3 of that is supplied by the psu (through some magic I don't understand)? Or is this 2/3-rule applied simply due to the fact that the motors are seldom simultaneously drawing all of their rated current?
    Above should explain this hope fully.! . . . . Don't try to overthink this, I understand the need to understand how it works but if you want to build a good machine then what's been suggested will work great. You could spend weeks or months learning how it all works and you'll still end up back at what's been suggested.
    Go with what's proven to work and you won't go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZCNC View Post
    Above should explain this hope fully.! . . . . Don't try to overthink this, I understand the need to understand how it works but if you want to build a good machine then what's been suggested will work great. You could spend weeks or months learning how it all works and you'll still end up back at what's been suggested.
    Go with what's proven to work and you won't go wrong.
    This! Even though I'll probably end up building my machine according to the various suggestions I've got, I still cannot bring myself to do something without having built an understanding of my own of the matter. Hence, the occasional silly questions :)

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    Moving on to the mechanical side of things (at least for now) and essentially the gantry arm design. Am I right in assuming that it is the centre of gravity of the entire gantry assembly (incl. gantry arms, beam, z-axis, spindle etc.) that preferably should be half way between the X-axis (long axis) rail carriages?

    My thinking is that any force applied to the spindle in the X direction affects the balance of the entire gantry assembly. Now, the reason I'm double checking this is that when drawing the gantry assembly (as in the attached, albeit, unfinished drawing) I find that the COG is quite far back (the left side mark) if the beam is also included in the calculations. I know some parts are still missing from the drawing, but even when included, the end result will not change much (in fact, what's missing is mostly parts on the left hand side of the mark). Bottom line is, in this scenario my gantry arms would raise straight up from the X-axis carriages (hence, neither would the inclusion of the arms affect the cog) and, essentially, leaving the spindle quite far in front of the front carriage.

    Problem is that nearly all gantry arm designs I've looked at will have the spindle closer to the halfway point between the carriages or at least somewhere between the carriages. Now, when I calculate for the Z-axis assembly only (the mark to the right) the COG is naturally much closer to the spindle, and should I use this as my reference point my gantry arm design and more importantly the spindle position (relative to the X carriages) would end up looking much more like what I see others using. My intuition still says I should go with the COG of the entire gantry assembly as my reference point, but seeing that this would end up looking much different to the norm, it makes me wonder if I've overlooked something or simply using the wrong logic?

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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Juranovich View Post
    Moving on to the mechanical side of things (at least for now) and essentially the gantry arm design. Am I right in assuming that it is the centre of gravity of the entire gantry assembly (incl. gantry arms, beam, z-axis, spindle etc.) that preferably should be half way between the X-axis (long axis) rail carriages?
    Yes Ideally but again without wanting to sound like a broken record don't let these kinds of details bog you down from the building phase. The COG being off a little like what your showing isn't going to make one jot of difference to how the machine performs or how it affects component life in a DIY environment.

    Anyone who's built a machine and worried about these kinds of things will tell you that it was a pointless exercise and it's the smaller details that make a bigger difference to how the machine performs. Details like sturdy ball-nut brackets and adjustability, motor mounts, wire routing, Limit SW placement, access to grease nipples and lubing, etc, etc.
    If you build a Sturdy structure and pay attention to key areas like Z-axis then you won't go wrong or notice if COG is off a little, but you will notice if the little details are missed.

    My advice is to look around at other builds and pay more attention to the little details and pay less attention to if COG looks a little offset.!

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Juranovich View Post
    I still cannot bring myself to do something without having built an understanding of my own of the matter. Hence, the occasional silly questions :)
    The only silly question is the one you don't ask...Keep firing away we understand.!
    What's I'm trying to say more than anything is don't let it slow you down from building because you'll still end up back at or around what's been suggested.

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