Do you know a similar cnc machina sold in EUROPE? Piranha Fx

**Seafax** · 08-06-2017

I'm having the same problems finding a new 4 axis 3040 router that will cut aluminium without too much drama. I'd love a stepmores 3040 (http://www.stepmores.com/index.php?m...atid=31&id=43# - ships from china) or even a Kompas H-400 (http://www.cnc1.eu/en/kompas-h-400.htm - ships from europe) but trying to get fixed specifications and prices from stepmores is a right pita to the point where they're on the verge of talking themselves out of a sale and Kompas just plain haven't answered my emails.

Sturdier than average 4 axis with a spindle in the 1000W+ range, you wouldn't think it'd be that hard would you.

Any ideas anyone?

Col.

**A_Camera** · 08-06-2017

Originally Posted by Seafax

I'm having the same problems finding a new 4 axis 3040 router that will cut aluminium without too much drama. I'd love a stepmores 3040 (http://www.stepmores.com/index.php?m...atid=31&id=43# - ships from china) or even a Kompas H-400 (http://www.cnc1.eu/en/kompas-h-400.htm - ships from europe) but trying to get fixed specifications and prices from stepmores is a right pita to the point where they're on the verge of talking themselves out of a sale and Kompas just plain haven't answered my emails.

Sturdier than average 4 axis with a spindle in the 1000W+ range, you wouldn't think it'd be that hard would you.

Any ideas anyone?

Col.

At least they seem to be honest...

"Perfect for drilling holes or cutting circuit board traces Carving Machinable Wax, Wood, or Plastics!"

I think that is true. Also, it seems pretty well described. It also says that it is: "- Sold as a kit - mechanic - without steppermotors and electronic" so which stepper specifications do you expect? But of course, they should answer your mail. That's really the basic of a business. Did you try their Irish contact? Maybe he is faster.

**Desertboy** · 09-06-2017

That looks overpriced tat to me I think you were lucky they don't ship to Europe.

**jonjacson** · 09-06-2017

Can you suggest a model with similar dimensions a decent quality and the ability to (at least slowly) mill aluminum?

**Seafax** · 09-06-2017

Arguably one of the most promising ones I've found so far is the Mini Muscle Mk1 which has quad rails on all three axis but can only move 310x310 mm. http://www.ukcnc.net/index.php/produ...uting-machine/ so not quite the size we were both looking for but definitely capable of machining ali. One downside for me is that the £1950 orice tag DOESN'T include VAT.

Col... still looking at others.

**jonjacson** · 09-06-2017

A bit expensive to me too.

The quality is good at least.

**Clive S** · 09-06-2017

Originally Posted by jonjacson

A bit expensive to me too.

The quality is good at least.

You need to state what materials you would like to cut and what size machine. I think you will find it difficult to find a machine under 2K that will be any good. Have you thought about building one?

**Seafax** · 09-06-2017

I've just this minute finally head back from Kompas regarding their 3040 "H400" machine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3d-cnc-rou...item2cbef4f034

Still trying to find out it's exact specs (it's like trying to get blood out of a stone) but basically it's a 3 axis machine for around a thousand Euros, for an extra 480 Euros You'd get a 4 axis Profi4 controller with next driver for my rotary axis (which is what I waiting to hear) it has supported rails all round, two Y axis steppers (one of each side), and a 130mm Z axis travel.

For me it's biggest plus is the steel frame construction and supported rails all round. It could be better in almost every department (has a distinctly home-made feel to it's construstion) but so far it's looking like that's the best there is for that sort of money.

Col.

**A_Camera** · 09-06-2017

Originally Posted by jonjacson

A bit expensive to me too.

I you want to buy something worth paying for then you have to be ready to pay for the quality. Personally, if I wanted to buy something I would buy this one:

https://www.omiocnc.com/products/x6-...-engraver.html

...though, I have no experience of this machine, I think this is much better for that price than the previous links show. If it was me, I'd try to negotiate a price without electronics and would buy that separately, but if I'd not be able to build the electronics I'd buy it complete with everything.

Stop dreaming about getting quality products for peanuts. Just face reality and accept that you get what you pay for.

The other option is to do what many here and elsewhere did, build one from scratch. ...but even in this case if you want quality and a rigid machine you have to be prepared to pay for, so in reality I don't think you can build anything cheaper than £1.5-2k and still call it quality. This is an expensive hobby, like almost every other hobby.

**Desertboy** · 09-06-2017

Originally Posted by jonjacson

A bit expensive to me too.

The quality is good at least.

That's actually cheaper than what you first linked to when you factor in import tax from US and spindle/router.

There's quite a few Chinese machines in that sort of range that are a lot better than the US one you linked to for ~ same price.

You could try the wanted section on here, ebay is only really good for new chinese machines or proper shop machines. Home machines always sell for far more than they are worth.

I know a few people have had success with chinese 3040 & 6040 machines but you need to have to investigate them well before purchase because the machines vary massively in quality and price.

You want 1605 ballscrews all round, nema 23's, supported rail at minimum but linear rail would be better!