Quote Originally Posted by NeoMorph View Post
Dude, you shot at the ground and missed.... just like you missed the point of hobby users first CNC who don’t know about engineering and have never put a CNC together before.

I DID POINT OUT THAT ITS THE WEIGHT CAUSES THE GANTRY TO BOG DOWN but you obviously missed that. The water leakage thing was just me pointing out another thing in the con side of the pros and cons list.
No, I didn't miss it and nobody knows better than me how new CNC user/builder struggles because I'm helping them on a daily/weekly basis.
Your comments about WC spindles are wrong on just about every level. Plus the water is only a Con when not fitted correctly just like anything wrongly fitted becomes a Con.!

Quote Originally Posted by NeoMorph View Post
And you are soooo wrong. You knock Shapeoko type machines (I have a heavily modified Ox btw) yet to get anything better COSTS MORE MONEY.

I even said that when I could afford to get a better built machine I would go water cooled spindle because it’s superior tech. Cost me up a Workbee kit and then cost me up a decent heavy gauge gantry alone. I’m 100% sure the decent gantry is going to cost a lot more than the full Workbee kit alone.

Just look at the CNC4newbie ultimate gantry upgrade for a Shapeoko. A 500mm gantry cost $999.
Oh but I'm not wrong. I've just looked at the Workbee and priced it at nearly £1500 for 500 x 500 cut area using a poxy DeWalt router.
https://ooznest.co.uk/product/workbe...ll-kit/#review

Now throw in any modifications like you have made and it won't take long to reach £2k. And you'll still have a pretty shite machine at the end of it.

Anyone who is prepared to take there time, do some research and possibly learn a few new skills can easily build a much better machine at same size for around that cost.
This machine will have linear rails, not crappy bearings riding on soft metal. Ballscrews not elastic bands for linear motion. Proper Digital drives running decent voltage which steppers need for speed, not crappy drives that can only just handle enough volts to run a light bulb let alone a stepper needed for a real router.
All with proper Z-axis that can handle a real spindle and a Gantry that won't need any upgrading just to cut a piece of wood. And best of all when ready to upgrade to a larger machine they will easily return their investment when they sell it.


Quote Originally Posted by NeoMorph View Post
A Shapeoko or Workbee is a great tool to start out on. Hell, just look a John Saunders. He started out with a tiny mill next to his bed ffs and now look at him. It’s better to crawl before walking (unless you have some engineering, programming and electronics knowledge).
These machines are a joke as router.! . . . If you want a machine to learn on then buy a cheap Chinese machine for half the costs. They are great learning machines for anyone on a budget, just don't expect the earth or try to upgrade.
If you want a real router then you have to either pay a proper price for the real thing or build your own. Anything in between is usually cheap imitation that will always be inferior and cost more money long term.

I also know John (saunders) very well having communicated with John many many times when he first started out in his New York flat. I've been at this a long time and there aren't many who I haven't dealt with(argued) or helped, or been helped by.!... DIY CNC is a small world with a great community.

My objection to your comments was the rubbishing of the WC spindle and suggesting the fact it's WC is a bad thing when you have no experience of using one. It really pisses me off when this happens because people's unjustified and biased opinions or comments on something they have no experience of using can and does send New builders down the wrong route.
By all means, say they are too heavy for Workbee.shapako, etc but don't rubbish them for being WC and suggest they leak and wreck work, etc when you have no experience of this because it's just not true when fitted correctly.